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  • Originally posted by commander View Post
    Maybe as to let the neighbouring countries know that if it comes down to engage in a war China will not hesitate to do so ? Also a media release creates far more ripples than ordering PLA from within IMO.
    So it is a political statement.

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    • If Delhi had large scale conventional stand-off strike capability, it wouldn't have to worry so much about escalation on the Tibet border. 3000 Nirbhay missiles for example would massively degrade Chinese infrastructure and war fighting capability, offsetting the conventional logistical disadvantage. India has not even tested thing yet, so the Chinese can continue to provoke with impunity.

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      • Originally posted by commander View Post
        Either the media is paranoid about China or there is something that's happening behind the curtains,
        Something happens in China and you looking at it with an indian lens and trying to figure it out ?

        Need xinhui WHO HAS BEEN AWOL to answer this.

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        • Double Edge,

          Does it matter whose lens the standoff is seen through? Inscrutability is the great characteristic of the Chinese. Whether there is factionalism in Beijing or not, China's neighbours need to be prepared for many more such incidents on land, sea and air. It is strategically counterproductive behaviour from China although that doesn't make it any more pleasant to deal with.

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          • Originally posted by DarthSiddius View Post
            I wonder why he used the media. If there was a genuine need to emphasize to the PLA the need for increased conformity to CMC policies, he could have done that directly.
            It's a re-org and these things are always come with some grand announcements. The War Zone Campaign (aka their Cold Start), Brigadization, now Updating their Operations. This last one is telling. Updating their Operations, ie there is no new money wheras they took money from Division and gave it to Brigade.

            We do it too. Mechanization, Brigade Group, Task Force, Combat Brigade Teams.

            In other words, we have this image of a glorious future and we going there no matter how much shit we go through. Never mind once it's all over, when we're in this glorious future, we still smell like shit.
            Chimo

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            • But the timing here is awkward. He just got back from a trip to India and issued these statements midst an ongoing incident in Kashmir between Indian and Chinese troops. He also denied knowing much about the stand-off while in India. Diplomacy much?

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              • Originally posted by Duellist View Post
                Double Edge,

                Does it matter whose lens the standoff is seen through? Inscrutability is the great characteristic of the Chinese. Whether there is factionalism in Beijing or not, China's neighbours need to be prepared for many more such incidents on land, sea and air. It is strategically counterproductive behaviour from China although that doesn't make it any more pleasant to deal with.
                Am referring to the changes in the CMC. That is what i'd like to get a better take on.

                indiatoday is a publication selling product and knows its readers well. I've never seen these indian pubs source known china watchers in their articles.

                Give it a month, some of the talkshops will give a better idea.
                Last edited by Double Edge; 23 Sep 14,, 22:31.

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                • Why can't we close our borders for Chinese products and let them know until they behave in the border they got no business in our country? I know we are not a big trade partner to them heck couldn't even be the top ten, but it will send them a message doesn't it. We haven't got much to lose anyway since it's China that takes the lions share in our bilateral trade with them.

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                  • Originally posted by DarthSiddius View Post
                    But the timing here is awkward. He just got back from a trip to India and issued these statements midst an ongoing incident in Kashmir between Indian and Chinese troops. He also denied knowing much about the stand-off while in India. Diplomacy much?
                    It's a general broadcast. India is not the only tension spot. The next shooting war would most likely be with Vietnam. There might be an incident with Japan and two armies are still sitting on the border with North Korea. India would be very low on the shooting war totem pole. They're throwing beer at your troops, not grenades.
                    Chimo

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                    • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                      It's a general broadcast. India is not the only tension spot. The next shooting war would most likely be with Vietnam. There might be an incident with Japan and two armies are still sitting on the border with North Korea. India would be very low on the shooting war totem pole. They're throwing beer at your troops, not grenades.
                      IMHO China doesn't needed to fire bullets on the Indian side. They would just have to keep up this aggression long enough so much that one side would eventually back down and in their calculations it won't be them. Moreover they can't afford to engage in any sort of bullet exchange with any country since that would strengthen the alliance that Japan is trying to build along with the US and all the others would start to gang up and box them maybe not Russia due to the recent oil deal they signed with them.

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                      • Originally posted by commander View Post
                        Why can't we close our borders for Chinese products and let them know until they behave in the border they got no business in our country?
                        Because then we let the disputes dictate and dominate the course of the relationship. It would increase tensions rather than moderate them. This was the course of affairs up to the nineties until we had our balance of payments crisis. To get out of that crisis others in the region encouraged us to open up more to China. To create some stability.

                        Originally posted by commander View Post
                        I know we are not a big trade partner to them heck couldn't even be the top ten, but it will send them a message doesn't it.
                        Consider Japan or Taiwan. Both one could say would have much bigger issues with China and vice versa. How does trade between them and China stand. Its much larger. China is their biggest trading partner. Why is that. Is there a lesson to be learnt. Take US & China, same story again, biggest trading partners and also competitors.

                        There is a counter here that it gives China a bigger peace of the pie and in turn allows them to gain an advantage over their neighbours without going to war. In the sense it forces them to acknowledge China's concerns. Ignoring them would piss the Chinese off royally. They want to be listened to and heard.

                        Originally posted by commander View Post
                        We haven't got much to lose anyway since it's China that takes the lions share in our bilateral trade with them.
                        And doing as you suggest would condemn us to remain at that position.
                        Last edited by Double Edge; 24 Sep 14,, 01:27.

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                        • Originally posted by commander View Post
                          Moreover they can't afford to engage in any sort of bullet exchange with any country since that would strengthen the alliance that Japan is trying to build along with the US and all the others would start to gang up and box them maybe not Russia due to the recent oil deal they signed with them.
                          Ever notice that the US's three biggest allies in Asia do not have an alliance with each other? The South Koreans and the Taiwanese hate the Japanese more than they fear China. Hell, the Taiwanese are applauding Chinese actions against Japan.

                          What you are left with are inconsequential members, the Philippines and Vietnam. India might join but China got her checked with Pakistan.
                          Chimo

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                          • That is a map showing global shipping routes. Any war between india and china means an indian naval blockade on trade routes. That will effect chinese global exports and its crude oil imports.

                            Now please stop with the war drums.

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                            • Originally posted by anil View Post


                              That is a map showing global shipping routes. Any war between india and china means an indian naval blockade on trade routes. That will effect chinese global exports and its crude oil imports.

                              Now please stop with the war drums.
                              Yeah, as explained before. Not going to happen. The USN won't allow it. You're talking about stopping global trade.
                              Chimo

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                              • @OoE,

                                If the americans weren't already accounted for, these incursions would have been met with immediate force.

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