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Originally posted by Bigfella View PostSorta proves my point doc. Russia was dangerous enough to under a bumbling drunk. 90s Russia convinced the first group to join & a glimpse of Putinstan at work did for the rest. If I had a neighbor like Russia is I'd be looking for a safe option while I could. Bet Ukraine wishes it joined when Russia was too weak to do much.Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostHave news for you. The Ukraines was against us when we bombed Kosovo. The last thing they wanted was to side with us against their Slavic brothers and for the Muslim Albanians cousins of the Chechens.sigpic
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Originally posted by Bigfella View Post....and now they are regretting their choices, as I said.Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostI highly doubt it. Just because they and the Russians are now beating each other over the head does not mean that they wished they had bent over back then. In fact, I challenge you to find me a Ukrainian voice that said the Ukraines should have bombed the Serbs alongside us, even today.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I had an impression you had an issue with the whole Kosovo affair.No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostI highly doubt it. Just because they and the Russians are now beating each other over the head does not mean that they wished they had bent over back then. In fact, I challenge you to find me a Ukrainian voice that said the Ukraines should have bombed the Serbs alongside us, even today.sigpic
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Originally posted by Bigfella View PostMissing the point Doc.No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by Doktor View PostNot gonna find it.
Col,
Correct me if I am wrong, but I had an impression you had an issue with the whole Kosovo affair.
However, that being said, once war began, I encourage absolute prosecution of the war. I want the war over fast and hard! The only road to peace warriors know is victory ... and I wanted absolute peace. A pipe dream but one retired warriors wanted because we never had it.Chimo
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Originally posted by Doktor View PostI don't know what's the point, but it's not based on reality. Those who wanted to join, regrouped and committed to jump higher.
Russia was and is a threat to any of its neighbours who are not powerful enough to repel it. Former WARPAC nations & Soviet Republics joining NATO was an effect, not a cause.sigpic
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Another thing to remember is that NATO does not simply exist as a Russophobic alliance; the conflicts NATO has been involved are in other parts of the world and have been nowhere near Russia's borders. On paper, yeah NATO has gobbled up Hungary, the Czechs, Poland, Romania etc., but it's not like there has been a substantial buildup by NATO on Russia's border. If war broke out tomorrow NATO forces are still at a big numerical disadvantage in the East.
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