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    • #77
      About time

      Germany Bans Support for ISIS
      By MELISSA EDDY
      SEPT. 12, 2014

      BERLIN — Germany on Friday announced a ban on activities that support the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, including any displays of its black flag, as part of an effort to suppress the extremist group’s propaganda and recruitment work among Germans.

      The ban was announced amid a growing Western-led drive to galvanize countries around the world, but particularly in the Middle East, to destroy the group, which has seized parts of northern and eastern Syria and northern Iraq and has become known for its brutality.

      Germany’s crackdown reflected concern among officials about ISIS’s appeal in the country. About 450 Germans are believed to have departed for Syria as ISIS recruits, punctuating fears that they could return to Germany radicalized and dangerous. Under the new restrictions, all displays of support for ISIS, and all efforts aimed at enticing Germans to join the group, are prohibited.

      “Germany is a true democracy, and there is no place here for a terror organization directed at the constitutional system and the belief in understanding among different peoples,” Thomas de Maizière, the interior minister, said in a statement announcing the ban.

      By making it illegal to support the group, instead of seeking to ban ISIS in Germany outright, the police will be able to react immediately, without needing to involve the often cumbersome judicial system.

      “A ban of the organization may not have had the desired impact,” Wolfgang Bosbach, a senior member of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservative Christian Democratic Union, told ARD public television. “This is aimed at smashing an organizational structure, to rob members of grass-roots support for their activities.”

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      • #78
        Originally posted by 1980s View Post
        Show me a common law state that will also do this.

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        • #79


          Source

          Figures from some countries have increased since this older report from Dec 2013.

          The only significant black spot in our survey is India for which no credible reports have been available.

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          • #80
            The only significant black spot in our survey is India for which no credible reports have been available.
            There are a few that the authorities know of.

            2 Thane boys among 18 Indians who joined ISIS

            ...two youths from Thane (near Mumbai) who are reported to have left for Iraq to fight along ISIS about a year ago. These two boys are part of the 18 Indians learnt to be fighting in Iraq and Syria and are being tracked by intelligence agencies.

            Sources within the security establishment say most of these 18 hail from south India. Some of those who have been identified belong to Maharashtra, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu. It is not known whether any of them has returned but such exodus from south India has become a cause for worry for the agencies.
            15 Hyderabad youngsters, including a girl, wanted to join ISIS ranks

            Tamil Nadu man first ISIS suicide bomber from India?

            Just the tip of the iceberg I'm sure.
            Last edited by Firestorm; 14 Sep 14,, 19:48.

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            • #81
              Indian youths who joined ISIS may not face arrest on return | TOI | Oct 05 2014

              Faced with a proposal by NIA to lodge an FIR against ISIS, the home ministry is exploring if these youths can be deradicalised when they come back from Iraq rather than pushing them behind bars. The argument in favour of this idea is that an FIR will not only scare the youths from coming back but also prevent parents from reporting to police.

              "We are still trying to find an answer to the question: 'How will an FIR help us?'. Legally speaking, these boys have done no wrong in India. Would it not be wiser to let them come in and keep them under observation and deradicalize them. May be they would be of more help then. The matter, however, is still under discussion," said a senior home ministry official.

              A move like this, if actually taken into stride, would be a significant departure from the generally hawkish attitude of the security establishment and put in place a new paradigm for tackling terror.

              Intelligence agencies suspect as many as 18-20 Indian youths to be fighting in Iraq with ISIS. The family members of one of these youths, Arif Majid (from Thane, near Mumbai), had recently met home minister Rajnath Singh and requested him to take action against those who are radicalizing the youth. Majid is now suspected to be dead.
              This is the idea doing the rounds in India at the moment. How are other countries dealing with returns ? banging them up or letting them go to watch them ?

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              • #82
                Gents,it is morally wrong to let these assholes go free after their eventual return in their former homes.Once,they go to join a state that intends to conquer the world through suversion terrorism and naked agression and subjugate their countries to an islamic rule.That is treason.Second,they happen to join an organisation that is the world champion at killing people these days.They are criminals,period.


                If nations allow their citizens to go to a hunting safari with people as game,they in effect condone such behaviour and also encourage such things being done to them.We become sponsors of terrorism.
                Those who know don't speak
                He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                  If nations allow their citizens to go to a hunting safari with people as game,they in effect condone such behaviour and also encourage such things being done to them.We become sponsors of terrorism.
                  Valid counter. If we do nothing then they radicalise the youth.

                  if we go after them they go underground. it makes it harder for them to operate but they are also invisible. Very valuable assets if they have been turned by agencies with an agenda in Iraq. Possible recruits.

                  pragmatic vs moral.

                  How are other countries dealing with this conundrum.

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                  • #84
                    Dude,there is nothing pragmatic about this crap.Plotting against the country isn't done in the open anyway.By forcing them underground you weaken their networks and communication.To believe they are invisible is false.They may be invisible to you,but you are not authorized to see them.

                    Any security agency that says otherwise is a mere irresponsible bureaucracy worth disbanding on the spot.Like any bureaucracy,they like spouting all sort of sh!t to justify their existence and budget.If they convince anyone,kudos to them for fooling the public and the politicians(who don't need much effort anyway).


                    There was a reason traitors were dealt severely,in public.
                    Those who know don't speak
                    He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                      Indian youths who joined ISIS may not face arrest on return | TOI | Oct 05 2014



                      This is the idea doing the rounds in India at the moment. How are other countries dealing with returns ? banging them up or letting them go to watch them ?
                      Over here, recently, we trial everyone who was fighting abroad for any belligerent without our flag.
                      Hard to make a case in court, tho.
                      No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                      To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                      • #86
                        So how do some euros deal with this then.

                        Home Secretary Theresa May, told her party conference that she wanted new powers to prevent those suspected of Islamic radicalism from using social media. She wanted the police be given power to seize passports at the border from Britons suspected of travelling to join Islamic radicals.

                        She said that a future Conservative government would ban extremist groups and further restrict the movement and access to the Internet of those suspected of having radical intentions or of proselytising extremist views.

                        Already this year, May said, she had stripped the passports of 25 Britons who had travelled or planned to travel to Syria and the police had arrested more than 100 people for “offences relating to terrorism in Syria.”

                        May said the authorities needed to begin at home. “The first thing we must do is discourage young British Muslims from travelling to Syria and Iraq in the first place,” she said, but that is hardly easy, and it does not seem to be working very well, especially after the group declared itself a caliphate.
                        That's the Brits

                        But the concentration on deterrence also presents strong risks of violations of civil liberties and individual rights. The Conservatives’ coalition partner, the Liberal Democrats, defended their opposition to some of May’s measures, saying that they would “continue to oppose the Tories’ obsessive intrusion into people’s lives.”

                        A Conservative legislator, Dominic Raab, said that there was already a lot of legislation to prosecute extremist groups. “I think you need to be very wary about criminalising thoughts and views,” he said.
                        what some other brits think..(presumably ones that haven't quite lost all their marbles yet).

                        Belgium, another member of the anti-Islamic State coalition, has been a prime recruiting area for jihadists. In Antwerp on Tuesday, the trial continued of 46 members of Sharia4Belgium, a radical Muslim organisation accused of recruiting volunteers to fight in Syria.
                        In belgium

                        Cazeneuve said, France must “stop people from leaving because those who leave and come back, they come back after having seen executions, beheadings, crucifixions. They’ve lost their bearings, they are extraordinarily violent, and represent a real potential of risk for the country when they come back.”

                        Those who return, he said, “must immediately be reported,” and France is working with Turkey, Britain and other European allies to identify returning fighters, including the use of a new alert for “foreign fighters” in the European Union’s border control computer system.
                        In France

                        Peter Neumann, director of the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation at King’s College, London, said the potential for new violence in Europe had increased.

                        The concerns “are not bigger because the number of jihadis are increasing — which has been happening for months — but because it’s clearer that with the Western intervention, the attention of the jihadis is increasingly turning to the West,” he said.
                        ...

                        and then i find this in today's paper, that appeared in yesterdays sunday times of london.

                        The Islamic State (IS) terror group plans to seize Iran’s nuclear secrets, unleash a vicious campaign of ethnic cleansing and Nazi-style eugenics to consolidate and expand its self-declared caliphate, according to a seized policy manifesto of the dreaded outfit.
                        The paks are no longer at risk of losing their nukes, its iranian 'secrets' that have risen to top of the list. Suppose they will have to kidnap some Iranian scientists as well.

                        The document, typed on perforated sheets, was seized by Iraqi special forces during a raid in March on the home of one of the commanders of IS, “The Sunday Times” reported on Sunday.

                        In the document, which has been examined by western security officials — who believe it to be authentic — Meshedani wrote that IS aims to get hold of nuclear weapons with the help of Russia, to whom it would offer access to gas fields it controls in Iraq’s Anbar province.

                        Also, the documents said, Kremlin will have to give up “Iran and its nuclear programme and hand over its secrets.” Russia would also have to abandon support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and back the Gulf States against Iran.

                        Believed to be a policy manifesto prepared for senior members of IS, the document offers a unique insight into the ambitions of the Islamist commanders who have shocked the world with their fanaticism and brutality, the paper said.
                        Russia bad - check
                        iran bad - check

                        Everybody else - good ?

                        Disinformation 99% true still qualifies.

                        Have we been getting our chains yanked a bit too much over this crap - check.
                        Last edited by Double Edge; 06 Oct 14,, 23:34.

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                        • #87
                          Such laws would ban Lawrence to go to Arabia. Just a thought.
                          No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                          To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                          • #88
                            Maybe,maybe not
                            Those who know don't speak
                            He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                              It's not just Holland. France, Germany, Belgium, UK or roughly 2000 Euro Muslims are suspected of having gone over. Why does this matter ? because its a hot area and these people should they return in one piece are battle hardened and a lot more lethal than if they had gone over to Afghanistan which was low intensity. Need to up CT efforts and hope to get lucky in infiltrating & monitoring this lot if or when they return.

                              70 are supposed to have gone over from the US. A smaller number. The number is small as AQ does not have or succeeded in having much of an infrastructure in the US compared to Europe. It's also been localised to the minneapolis region, somalis.

                              The bulk of the people going over are converts, lost people who can't speak a word of arabic or even know how to pray properly but for some reason an 'islamic identity' gives them a purpose in life


                              Battle hardend nut jobs coming back with PTSD. Yay, even more nutty than before. Fun times ahead.



                              In Canada have we not revoked the passports of people going over to fight effectively making them stateless?
                              Last edited by Repatriated Canuck; 16 Nov 14,, 16:39.
                              Originally posted by GVChamp
                              College students are very, very, very dumb. But that's what you get when the government subsidizes children to sit in the middle of a corn field to drink alcohol and fuck.

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                              • #90
                                Perhaps we should be looking at these people as more of a destructive cult than radical religion, more like Jonestown or Solar Temple. While there may be people running some of the organizations that are "sane" in the strictest definition of the word they seem to be recruiting people that fit the same type that many of the suicide/ mass murder cults of the 80's and 90's did.

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