Conservatives Plan to Use Poll Watchers in Mississippi

[astralis]

bfng,

I have no freakin idea as I know nothing about what poll watchers actually do, but tell me, are you seriously insinuating that they are out there in little white hats with billy clubs?

seeing as how there's very little poll fraud to begin with, and their limited powers and even ability to observe, what do you THINK the purpose of those partisan pollwatchers is?

it's *not* pure racism, insomuch that they're not dragging black people out of the polls. it DOES have racial overtones, especially in the context of the situation and the history. recall when conservatives were in a tizzy because there were New Black Panther pollwatchers back in 2008? it's the same concept, albeit of course with a less extreme tinge.

[bfng3569]

z,

well, in this case conservatives just stated that they were doing this openly, complete with the racial dog-whistles. and against another republican to boot.

i'm still waiting for the multiple investigations that have been launched into the IRS issue, benghazi, etc to provide small things, you know, like evidence. other than insuinations.

bfng,



seeing as how there's very little poll fraud to begin with, and their limited powers and even ability to observe, what do you THINK the purpose of those partisan pollwatchers is?

it's *not* pure racism, insomuch that they're not dragging black people out of the polls. it DOES have racial overtones, especially in the context of the situation and the history. recall when conservatives were in a tizzy because there were New Black Panther pollwatchers back in 2008? it's the same concept, albeit of course with a less extreme tinge.

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so what are you presenting, facts, or insinuations? you cant scream for one while you while you do the other.

and now you are comparing poll watches to Black Panthers, as opposed to say the kkk, whitch would seem a bit more apt?

and again, I don't know enough about them, what can or can not do, or what they did or did not do, but I would assume racism would be easy to prove in such a publicly covered election whith all this national media attention.

as for what I think they are were asked in for, it seems like the losing party is not at all happy with a republican who is courting the democratic vote to win and is trying to draw as much attention (negative for the winner) as he can to it.

as well as drawing attention to the question of whether or not voter fraud, in the form of 'double voting', did in fact take place.

as to whether there are better ways to do that, probably.

but that's not the point here is it?

[astralis]

bfng,

and now you are comparing poll watches to Black Panthers, as opposed to say the kkk, whitch would seem a bit more apt?

no, i'm asking you about the UTILITY of the pollwatching in both cases. the Black Panthers called themselves pollwatchers; how much did that contribute to actual voting integrity? what was the real reason they were there?

in both cases the real issue is NOT voting integrity but the wish to garner, as you say, attention to their cause. in both cases (with different reasons) there's a heavy racial overtone to the act.

[bfng3569]

bfng,



no, i'm asking you about the UTILITY of the pollwatching in both cases. the Black Panthers called themselves pollwatchers; how much did that contribute to actual voting integrity? what was the real reason they were there?

in both cases the real issue is NOT voting integrity but the wish to garner, as you say, attention to their cause. in both cases (with different reasons) there's a heavy racial overtone to the act.

And I'm asking for you facts, not your insinuations, to back up your claims of racism and comparison's to the black panthers.

surely there must be tons of evidence in this widely publicized and covered event?

[astralis]

bfng,

And I'm asking for you facts, not your insinuations, to back up your claims of racism and comparison's to the black panthers

are you being deliberately obtuse?

if i said this was *racist* then i would SAY it was racist. instead, i said there was a heavy racial overtone (NOT the same thing as racism), because of prior history, context, and place. an organization that skews more white places pollwatchers to somehow guard against the prospect of black dems committing voter fraud.

if this was, say, California or Connecticut this would be less of an issue, but the place is MISSISSIPPI, where this tableau played out in a similar fashion forty-fifty odd years ago, in a truly racist way. you can't escape historical context.

[bfng3569]

bfng,



are you being deliberately obtuse?

if i said this was *racist* then i would SAY it was racist. instead, i said there was a heavy racial overtone (NOT the same thing as racism), because of prior history, context, and place. an organization that skews more white places pollwatchers to somehow guard against the prospect of black dems committing voter fraud.

if this was, say, California or Connecticut this would be less of an issue, but the place is MISSISSIPPI, where this tableau played out in a similar fashion forty-fifty odd years ago, in a truly racist way. you can't escape historical context.

deliberately 'obtuse'?

gotta love it when a mod acts like an ass hat and is both insulting and condescending.

I'm not going to go back thru and quote all your posts 'insinuating' how racist this is, if you want to now split hairs over whether or not you feel you directly stated it was racist, or simply heavily 'insinuated' it was racist and then pretend theres some big difference between the two, knock yourself out as I see no difference.

the clear implication from your posts comes across as though you 100% feel this is a racist tact and serves no other purpose. if you would like to clarify that, feel free, but it would certainly contradict the tone and message of your previous comments.

and as to the fact vs insinuation comment, you brought that into the thread with this ridiculous comment:

'well, in this case conservatives just stated that they were doing this openly, complete with the racial dog-whistles. and against another republican to boot.

i'm still waiting for the multiple investigations that have been launched into the IRS issue, benghazi, etc to provide small things, you know, like evidence. other than insuinations.'

this one was real helpful as well....... 'ah, tails you win heads i lose.

if there is evidence, that's proof of guilt; if there isn't evidence, that's because the proof has been destroyed...
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[astralis]

bfng,

gotta love it when a mod acts like an ass hat and is both insulting and condescending.

no need to bring my status into this. i'm speaking as one poster to another, and considering i haven't called YOU an asshat, i'd say YOU were being insulting and condescending.

the clear implication from your posts comes across as though you 100% feel this is a racist tact and serves no other purpose.

no, the clear implication in my post, which i've openly stated, is that there are serious racial overtones to this incident. that's not to say they are being deliberately racist, but at least they are being racially tone-deaf/insensitive.

here's the difference between the two: racist- "f*ck off, you buckteeth chink"; racial overtones- "hello, could you help me with counting up this bill? i've heard you orientals are good at math."

in this case what i'm saying is that the Tea Party in MS is being racially insensitive in their attempt to promote the cause and build their talking points. what they were saying with their actions was that they expected this election to be full of irregularities, and that was why they needed to put pollwatchers there. what the pollwatchers did was beside the point.

[bfng3569]

bfng,



no need to bring my status into this. i'm speaking as one poster to another, and considering i haven't called YOU an asshat, i'd say YOU were being insulting and condescending.



no, the clear implication in my post, which i've openly stated, is that there are serious racial overtones to this incident. that's not to say they are being deliberately racist, but at least they are being racially tone-deaf/insensitive.

here's the difference between the two: racist- "f*ck off, you buckteeth chink"; racial overtones- "hello, could you help me with counting up this bill? i've heard you orientals are good at math."

in this case what i'm saying is that the Tea Party in MS is being racially insensitive in their attempt to promote the cause and build their talking points. what they were saying with their actions was that they expected this election to be full of irregularities, and that was why they needed to put pollwatchers there. what the pollwatchers did was beside the point.

'are you being deliberately obtuse?' guess I didn't grow up in a part of the country were being asked this question was really a veiled compliment.

the rest, your just trying to split grammatical hairs with at this point.

your example doesn't work, at all.

[MisterVeritis]

That's a lot of straw man and red herrings there.

I still want an explanation on why voting is the only official activity one could engage in this country without presenting any ID. Not that I'm complaining. I have my permanent absentee's ballot mailed to my house every election. I could be dead or invalid and still vote....

Should all constitutional rights be free of ID? Are all constitutional rights created equal? Or maybe some constitutional rights are more equal than others....

Liberal socialist democrats here always want us to be more like the progressive Europe. Does any progressive European country NOT require ID at the voting booth?

If liberals were able to win without cheating they would do so.

They cannot. We know that they must win so cheating is perfectly acceptable. It is the reason why they insist on preventing measures that would protect the vote. God I hate liberals!

[astralis]

hello MisterVeritis...before you begin dropping some righteous fury, could you pop on by to the intro forum and let us know who you are?

thanks.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/wab...mbers-117.html

[Albany Rifles]

And MisterVeritis, speaking for "liberals" everywhere...we aren't real fond of you.

[FJV]

In my opinion they can poll watch all they like.

Just make sure you film the poll watchers, so that the moment they do something to intimidate for the regular people doing the poll
and the police is called, you can prove their "I was doing nothing routine" is bullshit.

I don't trust extremist (leftwing or rightwing) one bit.

[Louis]

If liberals were able to win without cheating they would do so.

They cannot. We know that they must win so cheating is perfectly acceptable. It is the reason why they insist on preventing measures that would protect the vote. God I hate liberals!

Hello .... Goodbye.

[MisterVeritis]

hello MisterVeritis...before you begin dropping some righteous fury, could you pop on by to the intro forum and let us know who you are?

thanks.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/wab...mbers-117.html

No. My posts will reveal what I believe. I promise to be as gentle as I can be with each of you. I am a Constitutional Conservative. Ask any question of me that you like.

[MisterVeritis]

And MisterVeritis, speaking for "liberals" everywhere...we aren't real fond of you.

Perfect. You have reason to fear me. I stand for individual liberty and individual freedom protected, not abused, by the state.