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Originally posted by zraver View PostThat is the Korean war era F-80C. Not the I40/J31 powered P-80A
All production models, A through C, used the J-33."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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From the Pilot's Flight Operating Instructions for Army Model P-80A-1 Airplane, March 5, 1945.
You add the the range from these two charts together to get total range.
Say 30,000 feet, landing with 50-gallon reserve, at maximum continuous power the range is 1265 miles. Maximum range condition, it's 1415 miles. The numbers would be exactly the same for 35,000 feet landing with a 100-gallon reserve.
The absolute maximum is 1,835 miles, flying at 40,000 feet and running out of fuel just as landing. Needless to say, that isn't practical.
Now if the J-33 used in production models for whatever reason provides longer range, as you implied, the range would be even further.
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...80A-Manual.pdfLast edited by Ironduke; 10 Jan 18,, 15:22."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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Originally posted by Ironduke View PostFrom the Pilot's Flight Operating Instructions for Army Model P-80A-1 Airplane, March 5, 1945.
You add the the range from these two charts together to get total range.
Say 30,000 feet, landing with 50-gallon reserve, at maximum continuous power the range is 1265 miles. Maximum range condition, it's 1415 miles. The numbers would be exactly the same for 35,000 feet landing with a 100-gallon reserve.
The absolute maximum is 1,835 miles, flying at 40,000 feet and running out of fuel just as landing. Needless to say, that isn't practical.
Now if the J-33 used in production models for whatever reason provides longer range, as you implied, the range would be even further.
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...80A-Manual.pdf
The F-86 had a bit over 500 gallons internally plus up to 400 gallons external. 900 gallons of fuel is how they got to the Yalu, fought and got back.
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Originally posted by zraver View PostDid you look at the bottom chart for combat ranges not ferry? The P-80A had 285 gallons of onboard fuel. B and reffitted A (modernized to C standard) added 200 gallons via tip tanks The P-80A wasn't going to Berlin and fighting, and then flying back. Not only that but given the gap in speed between a cruising P-80A and a B-29/39 the P-80 is gonna burn up a lot of its fuel and maximum miles flying a pattern that has its speed over ground match the speed of the bombers
The F-86 had a bit over 500 gallons internally plus up to 400 gallons external. 900 gallons of fuel is how they got to the Yalu, fought and got back.Last edited by Ironduke; 11 Jan 18,, 02:21."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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Originally posted by Ironduke View PostThey didn't even do that with piston-engined fighters utilized in fighter escort operations over Germany. There was a phased relay system for fighter escorts in which separate escort groups would provide coverage for progressive range blocs, specifically for reasons you've brought up: to maximize fuel economy and extend fighter escort range. The P-80A was perfectly capable of doing this.
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Originally posted by zraver View PostThey did that for bomber streams, set up relays for a single 3 plane box and you give the game away."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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Originally posted by Ironduke View PostThe A-bomb carrying aircraft could be inserted at the tail end of a bomber stream flying en route over City A (nuke target), meanwhile the stream continues on to City B with its conventional payload.
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Originally posted by zraver View PostTail end... most expensive weapon in history in the position of the bomber stream most vulnerable to enemy fighters (no support), and flak (had plenty of time to find the height and bearing despite chaff and jamming). Sorry, just don't see it."Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."
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