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    Shiites still outnumber Sunnis by a vast margin.It's only the start of a slaughter.Or more properly said,a new stage in a continuous butchery.

    Jokes about Blackwater aside,if the Shia soon to be formed militia doesn't stops ISIS,the Iranians will have to send their forces into the fray.

    The FUBAR is so grotesque it's almost funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    Shiites still outnumber Sunnis by a vast margin.It's only the start of a slaughter.Or more properly said,a new stage in a continuous butchery.

    Jokes about Blackwater aside,if the Shia soon to be formed militia doesn't stops ISIS,the Iranians will have to send their forces into the fray.

    The FUBAR is so grotesque it's almost funny.
    If the reports about the turkish diplo staff being detained are true - then it wouldn't surprise me if turkish air also gets involved - and that might also mean turkish airborne post air strike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    Ok,call me impressed.
    Not so fast...

    Someone is bad with maths.

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    It seems that 50 from the Turkish consulate in Mosul (including consul Öztürk Yılmaz) have been captured and over 30 Turkish truck drivers are also being held hostage.

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    According to reports, the militant forces include Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans, and Chechens. All battle hardened courtesy of Assad and his benefactor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    Not so fast...

    Someone is bad with maths.

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    They did not do their math wrong. You missed three zeros at the end of your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    They did not do their math wrong. You missed three zeros at the end of your input.
    Was not paying attention. First post was 1/2 billion, not 500 billion dinars.

    So, it is $1/2bn in hard cash in one city? What's the GDP of Mosul?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    Was not paying attention. First post was 1/2 billion, not 500 billion dinars.

    So, it is $1/2bn in hard cash in one city? What's the GDP of Mosul?
    No idea but a city of 1.8 million people is going to have some money:

    Mosul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Note: iraq GDP per capita is ~$6500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minskaya View Post
    According to reports, the militant forces include Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans, and Chechens. All battle hardened courtesy of Assad and his benefactor.
    Huh? These Sunni militants would have been fighting against Assad, not with him. So they are battle hardened courtesy of the Arab countries funding them, not Assad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    Maybe he shouldn't have arrested the leaders of the Awakening groups who came out to help him the first time around. Without those guys even the US military had trouble keeping the area pacified.

    The Kurds are not going to mount an offensive down into Sunni areas. Maliki's dreaming if he thinks he can get them to do something THAT stupid.

    What he needs to do is:

    1. Tell everyone he's really really really sorry.
    2. Form a unity government that actually shares power with the remaining Sunnis on the government side.
    3. Call in the US military for intelligence and air support.
    Hahah Maliki was already asking for US strikes last week:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/wo...y.html?hp&_r=0

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    How long before Iran interevenes? Surely they aren't just going to sit by & let a SUnni group that make AQ look like softies take some of the holiest sites in Shi'ite Islam & topple a friendly regional government.

    Turkey is interesting. be fascinated to watch how they react.

    Apparently the government in Baghdad has appealed to the Kurds to intervene. Can't imagine they will. Prefer to play defence. It would be a strange thing indeed to see some sort of loose Iranian/US/Turkish/Kurdish coalition. What was that saying about war & strange bedfellows?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestorm View Post
    Huh? These Sunni militants would have been fighting against Assad, not with him. So they are battle hardened courtesy of the Arab countries funding them, not Assad.
    Duh, it takes two to tango.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post
    How long before Iran interevenes? Surely they aren't just going to sit by & let a SUnni group that make AQ look like softies take some of the holiest sites in Shi'ite Islam & topple a friendly regional government.
    I suspect that Irans recent softening stance against the US has a bit more behind it.....

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    Turkey is interesting. be fascinated to watch how they react.
    erdogan has already rattled the sabre - he's shifted divisions to the syrian border quite readily in the past, and he acts paternally towards the Kurds - the first turk to be killed would IMO see them racing over the border. He has enough problems at home already, so this could provide a temp catalyst and distraction from troubles at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post

    Apparently the government in Baghdad has appealed to the Kurds to intervene. Can't imagine they will. Prefer to play defence. It would be a strange thing indeed to see some sort of loose Iranian/US/Turkish/Kurdish coalition. What was that saying about war & strange bedfellows?
    stranger still - it may well include syrians and saudi financial backing..... to assist in breaking the back.

    this is much bigger than the western press present (mainly because the western press in the main is intellectually indolent on the MEAO)

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    in the photo 2 high ranking ISID leaders with Erdogan's son...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big K View Post

    Erdogan was very close with the leaders of ISID.

    in the photo 2 high ranking ISID leaders with Erdogan's son...
    leaders behave very differently when their own powerbase becomes threatened

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