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    Muscovite 'tourists'.

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    • Originally posted by snapper View Post
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      Muscovite 'tourists'.
      Context for those of from the land of the other football....
      “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
      Mark Twain

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      • Two countries known for wildly aggressive football fans. Englishmen prevailed in a fight before the match, Russians retaliated after miraculous draw at the end of one.
        We're so bad, we're even bad at it

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        • Eh, "wildly aggressive" is relative. The known aggressive ones - about 3000 Brits, 2000 Russians, 2500 Germans - were not allowed to enter France in the first place. Hence why there's only a few dozen injured, and that includes those that breathed a bit too much tear gas. And only three injured police officers. That's ridiculously low.

          The Nice game might be interesting today. Northern Ireland vs Poland. Northern Irish hooligans already rioted yesterday, with seven injured.

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          • I don't understand the hype either
            We're so bad, we're even bad at it

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            • I'm confused (again).

              Is this proxy or hybrid war?(;-)
              "This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski
              "The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool." Lester Bangs

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              • Originally posted by S2 View Post
                I'm confused (again).

                Is this proxy or hybrid war?(;-)
                :-D

                PsyOp?
                No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                • 2yrs on from MH-17... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...fears-for-his/

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                  • Reports here that the self confessed war criminal Arsen Pavlov, aka 'motorola', who publicly boasted of murdering 15 Ukrainian soldiers held in captivity, has been killed by a bomb in his Donetsk apartment.

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                    • In the latest round of the farce of the Minsk2 Agreement/'ceasefire' and similar rubbish there was a meeting yesterday in Berlin under the 'Normandy format' (France, Germany, Ukraine and 'Russia'). Who should pop up at the start of this meeting? Vladislav Surkov, who is banned from EU nations under the sanctions... So before they even started talking they were ignoring their own sanctions being broken.

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                      • Seems Comrade Surkov has been hacked... Full dump here (in Russian) by a group calling themselves 'CyberJunta'; http://cyberhunta.com/news/

                        Some English reaction here: https://globalvoices.org/2016/10/25/...ilize-ukraine/

                        The SBU say it looks genuine and from a quick read it certainly makes alot of sense - it was long considered that Surkov was the architect of 'push back Donbass onto Ukraine' (on Russian terms and use it as leverage against the Government in Kyiv etc) and this is mentioned in these papers. They also have pictures of his and his families passports etc...
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                        • http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukr...ecrets-n673956

                          Payback? Russia Gets Hacked, Revealing Putin Aide's Secrets
                          by ROBERT WINDREM
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                          Karma, it turns out, is a borscht.

                          A Ukrainian group calling itself Cyber Hunta has released more than a gigabyte of emails and other material from the office of one of Vladimir Putin's top aides, Vladislav Surkov, that show Russia's fingerprints all over the separatist movement in Ukraine.

                          While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea.

                          And unlike the reported Russian hack of the Democratic National Committee, the Ukrainian hack reached deep into the office of the Russian president.

                          "This is a serious hack," said Maks Czuperski, head of the Digital Forensic Research Lab of the Atlantic Council (DFRL), which has searched through the email dump and placed selected emails on-line.

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                          "We have seen so much happen to the United States, other countries at the hands of Russia," said Czuperski. "Not so much to Russia. It was only a question of time that some of the anonymous guys like Cyber Hunta would come to strike them back."

                          A senior U.S. intelligence official said the U.S. "had no role" in the hack.

                          Surkov has been a close aide to Putin for more than a decade, serving as both deputy prime minister and Putin's deputy chief of staff. The hacked emails date from 2014, a period during which Surkov was called the "gray cardinal" of the Kremlin, Putin's behind-the-scenes aide responsible for managing Russia's most crucial operations. He guided separatists not just in Ukraine, but in breakaway "republics" in Georgia as well.

                          It's as if the Russians were able to hack the email of Ben Rhodes, the deputy national security director and close aide to President Obama.

                          Specifically, the anonymous Ukrainian hackers were able to download the Outlook email accounts of Surkov's assistants, including a "Masha" and an "Yevgenia," according to the DFRL. Surkov himself apparently doesn't use email. The files included "the inbox, outbox, drafts, deleted email, spam, etc.," said Czuperski, noting 2,337 messages in total were dumped.


                          Emails from the Outlook accounts of Surkov's assistants Digital Forensic Research Lab at the Atlantic Council
                          A senior U.S. official, asked if the material was authentic, told NBC News that there was "nothing to indicate otherwise."

                          Hidden in the one gigabyte file are a variety of materials that provided evidence of Russian involvement at the highest levels in the war in eastern Ukraine, which has taken the lives of 10,000 people, including the 298 passengers and crew of Malaysian Flight 17, shot down by a separatist missile in July 2014 over Ukraine.

                          There is a list of casualties in the Donbass region of Ukraine sent from a high-ranking separatist official, and a list of candidates for office in a sham election. One email notes that the individuals with asterisks next to their name were "checked by us" and are "especially recommended." Days later, those same names were announced as having been "elected."

                          There are expense reports and a proposal for a government press office in Donetsk, scene of some of the fiercest fighting -- a three-person operation for separatist propaganda, with an editor, reporter and webmaster.

                          One U.S. official told NBC News that the material confirms much of what the U.S. believed was going on at the time, that the Kremlin was running the separatists at a micro-level. In fact, the official noted that Surkov's name was the first on a list of Russians and Ukrainians placed under executive sanctions by President Obama in March 2014, citing his role in the separatist movement. The action froze his U.S. assets in the United States and banned him from entering the country. Similar sanctions were imposed by the European Union.

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                          Czuperski said he believed that since Russian authorities realized they were dealing with a violation of international law, they wanted to keep the details in their emails close-hold. He said that while he believes there is likely more hacked material, and that it may prove politically sensitive, he doesn't know that for sure, or whether "Cyber Hunta," like WikiLeaks, will continually dump material.

                          "It's all time and probability -- how much effort you put in and how much effort the adversary puts in," he said.

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                          • The second dump of 'Surkov files' came out today along with the 'Glazyev tapes' (english translation and semi explanation here; http://uaposition.com/analysis-opini...t-war-ukraine/).

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                            • Still stealing history...

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                              So Putin (and Patriarch Kirill and co) unveiled this statue of 'Prince Vladimir (the Great)' just outside the Kremlin claiming him as the founder of 'Russian' Orthodoxy. This is in line with Putin's previous claims that the Muscovites first became Christian after this Prince's baptism in Crimea (and thus Crimea is ours etc) which was then inhabited, as the place names imply still, by Greeks (Sevasta-pol, Simfer -opol, Mariu -pol - literally 'polis of Mary' etc).

                              There are problems with this... First 'Vladimir' was Norse by birth, in his own language he was Valdamarr Sveinaldsson, a member of the Rurikid family/dynasty (after Rurik the first of his family to go south east). He used a 'varangian' (or Viking) army to kick out his brother who had overthrown another brother in what was then the Viking lands known as 'Rus' and thus 'Volodymyr' (in Ukrainian) became Grand Prince of Kyivan Rus in 978AD. Moscow at the time did not even exist. The point for the 'varangians' was the rivers along which trade passed between the Black Sea and Constantinople etc to the north. So after he had achieved control he did actually convert to orthodoxy after, according to legend, rejected Islam because it forbade alcohol and he found Catholicism not beautiful/ceremonious enough. Realistically of course the proximity to Constantinople and the Greeks in Crimea made their influence and teaching more accessible. He never visited Moscow and never heard of it since it did not exist and probably the first people to preach Christian Orthodoxy in Moscow came from the Kievan Rus or it's legacy. It is therefore somewhat historically inaccurate for Putin to claim this Norseman who ruled from Kyiv as Muscovite but as they say in most places the present changes and the history stays the same but in Muscovy the present stays the same and the history is always changing.

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                              Volodymyr Of Kyiv
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                              • Mikheil Saakashvili (aka 'Misha') resigned today as Governor of Odessa...

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