Raped and hanged

[sated buddha]

I think he is just showing is disgust at the incident.

Sorry man, don't agree.

I'm with Blade on this, and most Indians would recognize a self-hating Indian sucking up to outsiders when they see one.

Blade got it right, and if Doktor needs to hear this from an Indian optimistic enough about his own country to actually choose to live in it, then I would be happy to oblige him.

[bolo121]

Sorry man, don't agree.

I'm with Blade on this, and most Indians would recognize a self-hating Indian sucking up to outsiders when they see one.

Blade got it right, and if Doktor needs to hear this from an Indian optimistic enough about his own country to actually choose to live in it, then I would be happy to oblige him.

I disagree, Blade just has a very thin skin. He takes every bit of negative news as people Insulting India.
I am of course disgusted by these evil acts but this does not mean I hate my home.
I believe seeing them through the prism of nationalistic chest beating is a disservice to the victims.

Since Minskya is pretty consistent in posting abuses of women from other places as well, (such as her Egypt thread) its also dubious if she has some sort of anti India mentality.

[Doktor]

Sorry man, don't agree.

I'm with Blade on this, and most Indians would recognize a self-hating Indian sucking up to outsiders when they see one.

What's in it for a self-hating person?

Blade got it right, and if Doktor needs to hear this from an Indian optimistic enough about his own country to actually choose to live in it, then I would be happy to oblige him.

I want to see the preached optimism at work.

[Blademaster]

Said the man so optimistic about the country, he refuses to come back and live there.

Speak for yourself. It only shows how ignorant you are. Don't forget that I have a home there and still visit there regularly. There are members on this forum who lives in one country but also have strong ties to another country and I don't see you taking them to task for it. That is a double standard. By the way, I do pay taxes in India through my ventures so I have every right to feel home at India and be home in America.

You are rather small minded.

[Blademaster]

I think he is just showing is disgust at the incident. Should we as Indians hide the muck under the carpet and show all is well?
This is the ugly truth, face it.

Why does this happen? Discuss that.

Sure I would discuss it but I notice that every time something goes bad, he feels the need to mock the slogan, "Incredible India" showing his true feelings that he must self flagellate himself in front of others, especially westerners, something only Macuayalite Indians would do.

So discussing it with him is a lost cause whereas with you, I have no problem discussing the matter. When I heard about these rapes and murders, my blood boiled and my eyes went red. I even sent off an angry email to the website of the Samawadi Party and issued a check of 10000 rupees to the local chapter of the womens right organization, YWCA, in Delhi where my wife attended for preparatory courses. I even sent off an angry email to the stupid fuck that wore BJP colors who said that some fault lied with the women. I told him in no uncertain terms that such thinking would not be tolerated or be permitted to exist. I attended an violence against women awareness program/rally while I was in India. It may not be much to others but I have made my thoughts known about this and contributed any way I could. But at the same time, I would not denigrate the accomplishments and successes of India because it was brought by those who have put sweat, toil, and blood in making these successes and Oracle thinks he can denigrate those successes because some dumb fuck who is the lowest piece of organism on the food chain did something bad in which those people who brought those successes had nothing to do with it so he can assuage his self imposed guilt of being Indian.

[Blademaster]

I disagree, Blade just has a very thin skin. He takes every bit of negative news as people Insulting India.
I am of course disgusted by these evil acts but this does not mean I hate my home.
I believe seeing them through the prism of nationalistic chest beating is a disservice to the victims.

I am disgusted by these actions but it doesn't mean that I have to go out and flagellate myself in front of others especially westerners as Oracle is so fond of doing so.

Since Minskya is pretty consistent in posting abuses of women from other places as well, (such as her Egypt thread) its also dubious if she has some sort of anti India mentality.

Yes pretty consistent in posting rapes in third world countries while conveniently ignoring what happened in Israel or Ukraine. For the last 3 years she has been a member of this forum and she didn't post rapes that occurred in her native homeland or her adopted country.

I tolerated for a while giving her a chance to be fair and equal-minded about it but she didn't so I stepped in and challenged her. That is not being thin-skinned. It is being wise to her ways and calling a spade a spade.

[Blademaster]

What's in it for a self-hating person?

I want to see the preached optimism at work.

Then go try it or practice it instead of asking others to do it or demonstrate for you. You are pretty good at that. You are pretty much a fence sitter for all the posts you have given.

[Doktor]

Speak for yourself.

I am born and raised here. Have no allegiance for another country.

It only shows how ignorant you are. Don't forget that I have a home there and still visit there regularly. There are members on this forum who lives in one country but also have strong ties to another country and I don't see you taking them to task for it. That is a double standard. By the way, I do pay taxes in India through my ventures so I have every right to feel home at India and be home in America.

Tell me more about your rights. You are the one who called an Indian, born, raised, working and paying taxes there, having no spare home elsewhere that he is not an optimist. All that from some beach 10k miles away. Tell me you vote in India, too.

You are rather small minded.

That's all you got? Ad hominem for calling you out on another personal attack.

[Doktor]

Then go try it or practice it instead of asking others to do it or demonstrate for you.

I asked you. I practice my optimism in my country every day. Still here.

You are pretty good at that. You are pretty much a fence sitter for all the posts you have given.

You continue spewing hate. Some optimist you are.

[bolo121]

I was curious where blade got his current new catchphrase Macaulayite Indian and so did a quick google.
I think this is the closest bet.

Macaulay's Children, Subhash Kak - Jaïa Bharati

[Minskaya]

Yes pretty consistent in posting rapes in third world countries while conveniently ignoring what happened in Israel or Ukraine. For the last 3 years she has been a member of this forum and she didn't post rapes that occurred in her native homeland or her adopted country.

I did post that Moshe Katz - a former president of Israel - was convicted of rape and is serving a prison term. It's no secret that many women in Ukraine fall victim to Russian Mafia sex trafficking.

Sexual crime happens everywhere. What is striking about India though, is the degree of police/government indifference and/or complicity, and caste rape.

I understand the topic is ugly, but deflecting to my homelands (far different scenarios and a Tu Quoque argument) is not going to solve the unique rape problems within India.

[Blademaster]

I asked you. I practice my optimism in my country every day. Still here.


You continue spewing hate. Some optimist you are.

How do I spew hate when I call Oracle and others out for being two-faced about it? I do practice my optimism in both of my countries, USA and INDIA and still there. You are the one that takes things out of context and just sling shit for the fun of it. Yes you are a fence sitter because I don't see you take a stand for what you believe in no matter how it may be unpopular with others.

I know your type where you like to throw out the word, "neo nazi" or "hate" because it makes you feel superior. Go ahead and feel superior about it if that helps you like Oracle thinks it helps him.

[Blademaster]

I did post that Moshe Katz - a former president of Israel - was convicted of rape and is serving a prison term. It's no secret that many women in Ukraine fall victim to Russian Mafia sex trafficking.

And did you feel the need to decry Israel or Ukraine or ask what is wrong with those countries as a whole?

Sexual crime happens everywhere. What is striking about India though, is the degree of police/government indifference and/or complicity, and caste rape.

No that is where you and I disagree. Such complicity exists elsewhere and is not confined to India or third world countries but also in USA. Ever hear of Steunebelle rape? Or the stupid judge in Montana who let go of a teacher who was convicted of rape because the judge thought the girl was responsible for it?

Or for that matter, if the government of Ukraine wasn't indifference to the sex trafficking, then the sex trafficking wouldn't be a big problem because the authorities would start cracking on it? But then again, it would mean that given the prevalent sex trafficking, it means that the authorities are in the hook and part of the problem? Hardly the example that somehow India is the only country that displays indifference or complicity in these kind of crimes.

No what is different about it is that it is constantly hyped up compared to others and somehow making India to be a special case. That is way far from the truth. yes what happened in India sucked and it sucked big time and it needs to be combated big time, but don't go around and say that India is the only country to suffer this evil with this kind of complicity by the police or indifference by the government.

If you really have to know, if India was indifferent to rape, then this wouldn't be news or on the front page. This news of rape only became front page news only because the Indian media made it the frontpage news without any help from the western media or you. Indians made it the front page news. That shows that India is not being indifferent to these rapes and murders as you like to believe.

I understand the topic is ugly, but deflecting to my homelands (far different scenarios and a Tu Quoque argument) is not going to solve the unique rape problems within India.

I am not deflecting the issue but I am rebutting your assertions that the problems are unique to India. See the bolded text I put in there for you? That is not the case and that is my beef with you. Inadvertently or not, you have given the impression that India is the only country that has this problem and there is something unique wrong about India. Wrong. India is not and this problem has existed and still does all over the world.

I have in no way belittled these rape/murder cases by saying that "well at least we are not the only ones" but I will call out anybody who dare to say that India is the only country that has these problems because it means that person is either willfully ignorant or blind to the rapes/murders that happen in their own countries and that person need a reality check.

[Blademaster]

I am born and raised here. Have no allegiance for another country.

Good for you. Different strokes for different people. Doesn't mean that I have to follow your example.

Tell me more about your rights. You are the one who called an Indian, born, raised, working and paying taxes there, having no spare home elsewhere that he is not an optimist. All that from some beach 10k miles away. Tell me you vote in India, too.

I cannot vote in India since I became an citizen of USA and India do not allow dual citizenship but I do get the next best thing, PIO which allows people of Indian origin to own properties and pay taxes and carry business in India without any restriction on level of stay.

As for optimist, well when Oracle feels the need to mock India's successes and accomplishments, well by any stretch of logic, he would not be an optimist, wouldn't he?

That's all you got? Ad hominem for calling you out on another personal attack.

No not for that but for the other times where you have personally attacked me for my beliefs in your posts addressed to others (Don't think I didn't forget about them) I ignored them up to a point. And by the way, I didn't see you sticking up for me when Oracle or others first attacked me. Only when I had to defend myself, you would jump in and throw shit around and question my motives. Nice selective memory, you got there.

[Doktor]

How do I spew hate when I call Oracle and others out for being two-faced about it? I do practice my optimism in both of my countries, USA and INDIA and still there. You are the one that takes things out of context and just sling shit for the fun of it. Yes you are a fence sitter because I don't see you take a stand for what you believe in no matter how it may be unpopular with others.

I know your type where you like to throw out the word, "neo nazi" or "hate" because it makes you feel superior. Go ahead and feel superior about it if that helps you like Oracle thinks it helps him.

I call it as I see it. You woke up on left foot again. The spewing hate remark is for you attacking me personally and not what I wrote. I call a BS when I see one. Neo nazi? Google WAB and find me calling someone that. Unless you will put things out of contests and say I did it for saying RSS photos are remarkably similar to those of Nationals Socialists in the '30s. Still think they do. SB put some context and I stopped.