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Originally posted by MrSecond View PostSo, after the elections what we have?
We've got an opportunity to estimate the mood of voters. Potential of party of war or how many voters stand for war.
Ukrainian "party of war" - the politicians who stand for more tough uncompromising position on the South-East troubled area. Ukrainian hawks.
Among the candidates for the president I would include in the party of war Yulia Timoshenko, Oleg Lyashko, Anatoly Gritsenko, Tyagnibok and Yarosh.
Yulia Timoshenko - the former prime-minister, author of many tough claims in respect Russia and pro-Russian movement of Sputh-East. Some time ago her bugged phone conversation where she said she would shot Russians from "nuclear weapons" became widely known. She's got 13%.
Oleg Lyashko - the leader of Radical party of Ukraine. He is responsible for bloody attack against Mariupol on May 9. According to some reports, he personally headed the Mariupol sortie that ended without any glory but with blood and rapid escape from the city. 8%.
Anatoly Gritsenko - the former minister of defence of Ukraine. Made a lot of Russiphobian claimes during the presidential campaign. Convinced supporter of war against South-East. 6%.
Tyagnibok and Yarosh both have 2%.
So, the electoral potential of party of war can be estimated at 29%.
Seemingly, Ukrainians are still not tired of war. They want the show to go on.
Perhaps though you may refrain from calling us a bunch of foaming from the mouth raving 'Nazis' considering the low vote for Tyagnibok and Yarosh. I understand this must come as something of a shock to you since your own media was predicting a Yarosh win.
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Originally posted by JAD_333 View PostMeSecond, you're forgetting who started this whole thing. "They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind"
Originally posted by JAD_333 View PostLast edited by MrSecond; 27 May 14,, 15:35.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostI understand this must come as something of a shock to you since your own media was predicting a Yarosh win.
I can't watch this video as the user blocked it for Russia for some reason, but it's a news on Channel 1 on MAy 25 and it tells about official web-site of Ukrainian central election commetee. The information on the screen was taken from there.
And the host of news tells literally the following:
"Such a strange picture has appeared in the official web-site of Ukrainian CEC. What is it is not clear yet, as it completely mismatches with pre-electoral prognosis and contradicts the information of exit-polls from four sociological services..."
Here the same video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERs5D1lHaY8
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Originally posted by MrSecond View PostSomething horrible is going on in Donetsk now. I read tens of messages in social networks. Ukrainians came in the city. Bloodbath.
You are decrying Ukrainians entering....a Ukrainian city.
Seems like the Ukrainian National Guard is in the right to enter anywhere within their borders as ordered by the national government.
And the point about starting things.....it was not about Maiden...it was about the take over of government buildings in the Crimea.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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Originally posted by MrSecond View PostSomething horrible is going on in Donetsk now. I read tens of messages in social networks. Ukrainians came in the city. Bloodbath.No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by Albany Rifles View PostMr Second, do you not see the irony in that statement.
You are decrying Ukrainians entering....a Ukrainian city.
Seems like the Ukrainian National Guard is in the right to enter anywhere within their borders as ordered by the national government.
The funny thing about it is that you're right. The leader of Slavyansk militia I.Strelkov said the Ukrainian troops have a lot of mercenaries. And most of all there are mercenaries from... Russia. The seized reporters of Lifenews who have been in Ukrainian prison for 7 days told the same things - a lot of former Russian militaries in Ukr.army.
Originally posted by Albany Rifles View PostAnd the point about starting things.....it was not about Maiden...it was about the take over of government buildings in the Crimea.
But why Crimea? What about the take over of government buildings in Kiev, Lvov, Ivano-Frankovsk, Cherkassy, Ternopol, Rovno?Last edited by MrSecond; 27 May 14,, 19:56.
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Originally posted by MrSecond View PostOur media wasn't predicting a Yarosh win.
I can't watch this video as the user blocked it for Russia for some reason, but it's a news on Channel 1 on MAy 25 and it tells about official web-site of Ukrainian central election commetee. The information on the screen was taken from there.
And the host of news tells literally the following:
"Such a strange picture has appeared in the official web-site of Ukrainian CEC. What is it is not clear yet, as it completely mismatches with pre-electoral prognosis and contradicts the information of exit-polls from four sociological services..."
Here the same video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERs5D1lHaY8
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Originally posted by MrSecond View PostWhat's wrong with Ukrainians? They are not Ukrainians? Those, who are trying to seize Donetsk, whose aircrafts bombed Donetsk airport and railroad station? We just need some clear terminology, that's all.
The funny thing about it is that you're right. The leader of Slavyansk militia I.Strelkov said the Ukrainian troops have a lot of mercenaries. And most of all there are mercenaries from... Russia. The seized reporters of Lifenews who have been in Ukrainian prison for 7 days told the same things - a lot of former Russian militaries in Ukr.army.
Sorry, maybe I've missed something about who has special authorized rights to point the starting point.
But why Crimea? What about the take over of government buildings in Kiev?“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Yanukovich, who didn't use army against "peaceful" protesters in Kiev, against those who seized government buildings in western Ukraine - bloody dictator, gangster, thief, he repressed democracy and freedom and so on.
Turchinov, who has never been elected for the president but was claimed the president, who sent army against Donetsk and Lugansk and hundreds of people died - he is democratic leader.
Seems, something wrong with western logic...
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