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  • #16
    Originally posted by SajeevJino View Post
    It's Highly doubt where they used Flankers
    not flankers - but fulcrums have been used
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    • #17
      Fighters?
      No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

      To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by MrSecond View Post
        So, after the elections what we have?

        We've got an opportunity to estimate the mood of voters. Potential of party of war or how many voters stand for war.

        Ukrainian "party of war" - the politicians who stand for more tough uncompromising position on the South-East troubled area. Ukrainian hawks.
        Among the candidates for the president I would include in the party of war Yulia Timoshenko, Oleg Lyashko, Anatoly Gritsenko, Tyagnibok and Yarosh.

        Yulia Timoshenko - the former prime-minister, author of many tough claims in respect Russia and pro-Russian movement of Sputh-East. Some time ago her bugged phone conversation where she said she would shot Russians from "nuclear weapons" became widely known. She's got 13%.

        Oleg Lyashko - the leader of Radical party of Ukraine. He is responsible for bloody attack against Mariupol on May 9. According to some reports, he personally headed the Mariupol sortie that ended without any glory but with blood and rapid escape from the city. 8%.

        Anatoly Gritsenko - the former minister of defence of Ukraine. Made a lot of Russiphobian claimes during the presidential campaign. Convinced supporter of war against South-East. 6%.

        Tyagnibok and Yarosh both have 2%.

        So, the electoral potential of party of war can be estimated at 29%.
        Seemingly, Ukrainians are still not tired of war. They want the show to go on.
        None of what you claim to the 'party of war' are President. Even if all those who voted for the four people you list were in favour of war that still leaves 71% of Ukrainians - double the amount - not in favour of war. To claim that "Ukrainians are still not tired of war. They want the show to go on", even on the questionable assumptions you use, is therefore a blatant non sequitur.

        Perhaps though you may refrain from calling us a bunch of foaming from the mouth raving 'Nazis' considering the low vote for Tyagnibok and Yarosh. I understand this must come as something of a shock to you since your own media was predicting a Yarosh win.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
          MeSecond, you're forgetting who started this whole thing. "They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind"
          We started Maidan? You must be joking.

          I see after NYT has sacked its editor-in-chief, they started to write right articles.
          Last edited by MrSecond; 27 May 14,, 15:35.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by gf0012-aust View Post
            I'll take the long punt - Putin and Lavrov will not be supporting the Donetsk rebels
            Putin doesn't need that. The Donetsk rebels will handle it themselves.

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            • #21
              Till we don't have any essential military results of Ukrainian anti-terrorism operation, let's look what they did.

              Advance of Ukrainian forces in Lugansk oblast, Slavyansk, Donetsk.





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              • #22
                Originally posted by snapper View Post
                I understand this must come as something of a shock to you since your own media was predicting a Yarosh win.
                Our media wasn't predicting a Yarosh win.

                I can't watch this video as the user blocked it for Russia for some reason, but it's a news on Channel 1 on MAy 25 and it tells about official web-site of Ukrainian central election commetee. The information on the screen was taken from there.

                And the host of news tells literally the following:
                "Such a strange picture has appeared in the official web-site of Ukrainian CEC. What is it is not clear yet, as it completely mismatches with pre-electoral prognosis and contradicts the information of exit-polls from four sociological services..."

                Here the same video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERs5D1lHaY8

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by MrSecond View Post
                  Something horrible is going on in Donetsk now. I read tens of messages in social networks. Ukrainians came in the city. Bloodbath.
                  Mr Second, do you not see the irony in that statement.

                  You are decrying Ukrainians entering....a Ukrainian city.

                  Seems like the Ukrainian National Guard is in the right to enter anywhere within their borders as ordered by the national government.

                  And the point about starting things.....it was not about Maiden...it was about the take over of government buildings in the Crimea.
                  “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                  Mark Twain

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by MrSecond View Post
                    Something horrible is going on in Donetsk now. I read tens of messages in social networks. Ukrainians came in the city. Bloodbath.
                    You know what that means? Putin the Great pulled back his support for oppressed Russians.
                    No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                    To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                    • #25
                      Dozens dead on the pro russian side and yet no Ukrainian losses, looks likw the spetznaz have left the building:

                      Last edited by citanon; 28 May 14,, 00:24.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                        Mr Second, do you not see the irony in that statement.

                        You are decrying Ukrainians entering....a Ukrainian city.

                        Seems like the Ukrainian National Guard is in the right to enter anywhere within their borders as ordered by the national government.
                        What's wrong with Ukrainians? They are not Ukrainians? Those, who are trying to seize Donetsk, whose aircrafts bombed Donetsk airport and railroad station? We just need some clear terminology, that's all.

                        The funny thing about it is that you're right. The leader of Slavyansk militia I.Strelkov said the Ukrainian troops have a lot of mercenaries. And most of all there are mercenaries from... Russia. The seized reporters of Lifenews who have been in Ukrainian prison for 7 days told the same things - a lot of former Russian militaries in Ukr.army.

                        Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                        And the point about starting things.....it was not about Maiden...it was about the take over of government buildings in the Crimea.
                        Sorry, maybe I've missed something about who has special authorized rights to point the starting point.
                        But why Crimea? What about the take over of government buildings in Kiev, Lvov, Ivano-Frankovsk, Cherkassy, Ternopol, Rovno?
                        Last edited by MrSecond; 27 May 14,, 19:56.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                          You know what that means? Putin the Great pulled back his support for oppressed Russians.
                          Slavyansk militia:



                          They are still okey.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by MrSecond View Post
                            Our media wasn't predicting a Yarosh win.

                            I can't watch this video as the user blocked it for Russia for some reason, but it's a news on Channel 1 on MAy 25 and it tells about official web-site of Ukrainian central election commetee. The information on the screen was taken from there.

                            And the host of news tells literally the following:
                            "Such a strange picture has appeared in the official web-site of Ukrainian CEC. What is it is not clear yet, as it completely mismatches with pre-electoral prognosis and contradicts the information of exit-polls from four sociological services..."

                            Here the same video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERs5D1lHaY8
                            Ukrainian CEC never made any such forecast.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by MrSecond View Post
                              What's wrong with Ukrainians? They are not Ukrainians? Those, who are trying to seize Donetsk, whose aircrafts bombed Donetsk airport and railroad station? We just need some clear terminology, that's all.

                              The funny thing about it is that you're right. The leader of Slavyansk militia I.Strelkov said the Ukrainian troops have a lot of mercenaries. And most of all there are mercenaries from... Russia. The seized reporters of Lifenews who have been in Ukrainian prison for 7 days told the same things - a lot of former Russian militaries in Ukr.army.

                              Sorry, maybe I've missed something about who has special authorized rights to point the starting point.
                              But why Crimea? What about the take over of government buildings in Kiev?
                              I can't figure out if he's being deliberately obtuse or just an idiot.
                              “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                              • #30
                                Yanukovich, who didn't use army against "peaceful" protesters in Kiev, against those who seized government buildings in western Ukraine - bloody dictator, gangster, thief, he repressed democracy and freedom and so on.

                                Turchinov, who has never been elected for the president but was claimed the president, who sent army against Donetsk and Lugansk and hundreds of people died - he is democratic leader.

                                Seems, something wrong with western logic...

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