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    [QUOTE=MrSecond;965219]In addition to the videos we have a lot of witnesses on the street of Lugansk who watched the attack.

    By the way, not all Ukrainian media lie about "explosion of air conditioner".
    Reportage of Channel 112 from Lugansk, the reporter confirms the airstrike.

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    Those are two very different things.The strike you cry about is against the city buildings.The recorded strikes do not sustain that air launched rockets hit the buildings.
    So airstrikes happened above Lugansk.The targets however were not in the city.

    I'll ask some airforce guys about the videos and there are a few here as well.I may be wrong,but don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    What is not clear in her answer? They support Ukrainians to do whatever they think is right, but military solution (from abroad *cough* Russia) is not an option.


    What's wrong with that?The Chechen wars were an internal affair of the Russian Federation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    What's wrong with that?The Chechen wars were an internal affair of the Russian Federation.
    I don't see anything wrong as long as there is no ethnic cleansing and other heinous stupidities we've seen around here in the 90's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    Those are two very different things.The strike you cry about is against the city buildings.The recorded strikes do not sustain that air launched rockets hit the buildings.
    So airstrikes happened above Lugansk.The targets however were not in the city.

    I'll ask some airforce guys about the videos and there are a few here as well.I may be wrong,but don't think so.
    Yesterday in Lugansk the fighting occured in the edge of the city - around the border guard headquarters. And Ukrainians used airforce in that area too. So, exactly this video could be recorded at another moment and that could be another airplane, or maybe the same one at another time. Over the border guard fighting they used Su-25 and helicopters Mi-24 as well, and there were accidental casualties too.

    Near the governmental building in the center there was no fighting. But the fact of airstrike imo doesn't raise doubts due to numerous evidences of witnesses. Many people say they saw two airplanes, the first one made one circle over the city center and left, then another one made first circle and in the second circle it fired at the building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indes View Post
    I can't agree. It's much more like short burst of fire from GSh-30-2.
    Rounds from that gun do not explode.

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    That's the result of one of the explosion. I don't see any signs that det cord was used.

    I can't tell where this place is vis-a-vi the above clip but it looks like a mortar round hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSecond View Post
    I don't want to swear at you, omon.
    Keeping that way of uniting Ukraine - does it work? Be honest with yourself. Does it work?
    sure it works. how many truckloads of "gryz200" crossed russian border from ukraine??? donetskaya respublika, will not last long, that bunch or pro russian terrorists will be dealt with one way or the other pretty soon.
    as for accidental casualties, beslan, nord ost......
    and if i was new perz, i'd hire mercenaries like blackwater, or similar, to hunt them all down.

    idk how you see it, but i see pro russian separatists trying to bite off peices of ukraine and turned them into russian territory, ukraine gvmnt does what they need to make sure it wont happen. i blame those pro russian separatists for every single casualty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Rounds from that gun do not explode.
    You are wrong.
    For example 9-А-4002К rounds have about 50g of explosive.

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    Engineers fight.

    This is so tensed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indes View Post
    You are wrong.
    For example 9-А-4002К rounds have about 50g of explosive.
    Tracer rounds? The flash seems way too big for that. If anything, that's backblast if not det cord. Too much flame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Tracer rounds? The flash seems way too big for that. If anything, that's backblast if not det cord. Too much flame.
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    Ok, I've downloaded the video and gone frame by frame. The only flash happened at around 0:18 and there is a backblast. I see no incoming projectile. There is only one explosion and it's location is consistent with the backblast's vector. That one explosion is way too big for 50g.

    At this point, I would agree with Mihas that a recoilless weapon was launched from the trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Tracer rounds? The flash seems way too big for that. If anything, that's backblast if not det cord. Too much flame.
    I think that was OFZ-30-GSh, O means splinter, F - high-explosive, Z - incendiary
    Tracers are OFZT-30-GSh

    So flash is normal for this sort of rounds.

    More craters on video

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    I'm completely disoriented. The craters seemed to be in the opposite direction from the video. Was there a second attack?

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    Here kinda video from another point of view:

    http://puu.sh/9bPYK/71e0ae4ece.gif

    Here the daughter of killed woman tells how the airstrike has happened. The video belongs to the Ukrainian journalist A.Shariy, he offers for everyone who wish to connect with that girl.

    *ассказ дочери погибшей под ОГА женщины - YouTube
    Last edited by MrSecond; 03 Jun 14, at 15:35.

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    These ones are too small too many to come from RPG's.The impact on the trees looks like debris.
    If it wasn't the rocket automatically fired from the tree in the park,I could have been convinced.

    If only could have seen the vector of the aircrafts.We'll get the truth this way.
    Last edited by Mihais; 03 Jun 14, at 15:58.
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