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  • Not all German troops in WW2 were Nazis
    Your brother volunteered to fight for a nazi unit, he is a nazi. He wasn't a conscript in the regular army; your alleged brother went out and volunteered to join an out and proud nazi unit. You don't get the debunked "we were simple soldiers" defense when you search out the most radical unit. So yes he is a Nazi.

    Including the Colonel who tried to blow up Hitler? I am afraid you are just factually wrong on this; not every German soldier was a member of the Nazi party.
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    Your brother wasnt an officer in the regular army (which covered itself in shame) who tried to kill Hitler, he was a volunteer for a specialized neo Nazi unit which makes the jack boots fit.

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    Personally, I don't find it insulting to be called a "Mongol" or whatever. I got same from various Eurotrash before, elsewhere online, they think calling Russians Mongols is terribly offensive lol
    To a normal person it wouldn't be, but if you run in neo Nazi circles that is intended to be a serious charge.
    Last edited by troung; 01 Jul 17,, 06:15.
    To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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    • Originally posted by snapper View Post
      Including the Colonel who tried to blow up Hitler? I am afraid you are just factually wrong on this; not every German soldier was a member of the Nazi party.
      If one was an officer in Germany's Wehrmacht ('defense force' 1935-46) then one was a Nazi.
      All officers were Nazis whether they embraced the theology or not. One did not have to be directly under Himmler's RSHA to know what was happening.
      The officers well knew what was happening throughout Germany and later Europe and points east.
      "I'm a Jew hater but I'm not a Nazi"... hmmm...semantics, eh.

      Even Field Marshall Erwin "The Desert Fox" Rommel who was glorified as chivalrous by the British for battles against British forces described as the "nearest things to war without hate" was a Nazi.
      He could not hide behind the ignorance of a foot soldier once historical facts came to light.
      I'd venture to say he was a great tactition and military strategist...and a war criminal.

      Indeed even Rommel was caught up in the attempted 1944 plot to kill Hitler that you wrote of though he was later found not to be a part of the plot under the light of history.
      That light was shed too late as Hitler permitted Rommel to commit suicide by cyanide capsule. Rommel was given a state funeral afterwards with the real reason behind his death hidden.

      Surely if we make excuses and erase historical facts then by the next generation the Holocaust never took place and the crimes of WW2 are just embellishments written by the victors.
      How will the cry 'Never Forget' sound once forgotten with given time..."Forget what, mama ?"
      Real eyes realize real lies.

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      • Originally posted by snapper View Post
        Including the Colonel who tried to blow up Hitler?
        If you're talking about Stauffenberg, yes he was a Nazi. And there isn't really anyone who doubts that. His plans were to institute a national-socialist Germany without Hitler and with more national conservatism. As opposed to other people who tried to blow up Hitler. If you read Stauffenberg's commentaries on the war - e.g. his letters to his wife* - they're full of the usual propaganda, in particular pushing forward racial Übermensch ideas; during discussions within the Kreisauer Kreis, the predecessor group that planned for that, on future forms of government Stauffenberg explicitly was an opponent of democracy or parliamentarism in any way; sadly after Moltke was arrested the Kreisauer Kreis, as virtually the last chance at a non-nazi group gaining traction, dissolved and those who supported Stauffenberg's extremist views within it joined his new group.

        * That thing with the letters to the wife is important. Hell, their wording is far worse than that of any ardent nazi whose letters home in WW2 - or war diaries - i've read. In '39 he was pretty much talking about "the rabble in Poland, especially all those jews" who he was glad could now be enslaved to serve German industry.

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        • Originally posted by troung View Post
          Your brother volunteered to fight for a nazi unit, he is a nazi. He wasn't a conscript in the regular army; your alleged brother went out and volunteered to join an out and proud nazi unit. You don't get the debunked "we were simple soldiers" defense when you search out the most radical unit. So yes he is a Nazi.
          So had he joined the Sheik Mansour Battalian would he automatically become a Muslim?

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          • Your alleged brother didn't join a Muslim unit he sought our ans volunteered to fight under a Nazi banner. Join a Nazi milita and you are a Nazi, had he travelled to Syria and joined al nusra he would be a member of AQ. This isn't difficult to grasp.
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            To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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            • But your desire to smear others as 'Nazis' is too simplistic to explain real life. First there are many non right wing nutcases in Azov Battalion; it is not a requirement that you are a right wing nutjob to join. Nor are the 'right wingers' within Azov Battalion entirely 'Nazis' as they mostly support a form a 'intermarium' alliance which by definition is confederation or federation of allies so they are not out and out 'Ukraine uber alles' nutcases. Second a person will join a unit for a number of reasons - he or she may have friends there, the training may be good, they want to jump out an airplane or some family connection - perhaps their Pater or Uncle or even Grandfather served in that unit - or maybe just the pay is better - the Gurkhas who serve in the British Army do not stop being Gurkhas all of a sudden. Not all Roman soldiers were Romans. My Brother - like me - is a Pole and did not become a Ukrainian while serving in the Ukrainian army so to say that he became a Nazi because he served with a unit that you say is Nazi is a non sequitur. As I explained to you some time ago he actually joined them because their length of service is shorter than most and certainly the Ukrainian army itself. Yet you claim to know his almost non existent political views and to tell me who I recall meeting and not - what did I have for breakfast this morning?

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              • But your desire to smear others as 'Nazis' is too simplistic to explain real life. First there are many non right wing nutcases in Azov Battalion; it is not a requirement that you are a right wing nutjob to join. Nor are the 'right wingers' within Azov Battalion entirely 'Nazis' as they mostly support a form a 'intermarium' alliance which by definition is confederation or federation of allies so they are not out and out 'Ukraine uber alles' nutcases. Second a person will join a unit for a number of reasons - he or she may have friends there, the training may be good, they want to jump out an airplane or some family connection - perhaps their Pater or Uncle or even Grandfather served in that unit - or maybe just the pay is better - t=.
                It's a Nazi militia, not a militia which happened to have some Nazis.

                he Gurkhas who serve in the British Army do not stop being Gurkhas all of a sudden. Not all Roman soldiers were Romans
                Light weight reasoning.

                My Brother - like me - is a Pole and did not become a Ukrainian while serving in the Ukrainian army so to say that he became a Nazi because he served with a unit that you say is Nazi is a non sequitur.
                It wouldn't change his ethnic origin, but it damn sure made him a become a Neo-Nazi.

                As I explained to you some time ago he actually joined them because their length of service is shorter than most and certainly the Ukrainian army itself. Y
                So he sought out and voluntarily joined the Neo-Nazis so he could have shorter tour? The only relevant thing is him admitting that he went out of his way to join them. In the same way snazzy uniforms isn't an out for volunteering with the Waffen SS, a shorter tour isn't an out either.

                Though to be fair I can't blame you entirely for the post-hoc excuses sucking, as I'm sure you expected people here to be wowed by you having a "heroic Neo-Nazi" in the family.

                et you claim to know his almost non existent political views and to tell me who I recall meeting and not - what did I have for breakfast this morning?
                His beliefs were well formed enough to seek out and become part of an armed Neo-Nazi militia. Your alleged brother is a Neo-Nazi piece of garbage. Combine that with your hatred of Russians...
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                Dude going forward in your anti Trump rants please make sure you include that your brother is a Nazi and you hate ethnic Russians just so people can get a flavor for where your dislike for Trump is coming from.
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                To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                • Commie scum. :)

                  So easy with all that "nazi" attempts of smear.
                  Those who know don't speak
                  He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                  • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                    But your desire to smear others as 'Nazis' is too simplistic to explain real life. First there are many non right wing nutcases in Azov Battalion; it is not a requirement that you are a right wing nutjob to join. Nor are the 'right wingers' within Azov Battalion entirely 'Nazis' as they mostly support a form a 'intermarium' alliance which by definition is confederation or federation of allies so they are not out and out 'Ukraine uber alles' nutcases. Second a person will join a unit for a number of reasons - he or she may have friends there, the training may be good, they want to jump out an airplane or some family connection - perhaps their Pater or Uncle or even Grandfather served in that unit - or maybe just the pay is better - the Gurkhas who serve in the British Army do not stop being Gurkhas all of a sudden. Not all Roman soldiers were Romans. My Brother - like me - is a Pole and did not become a Ukrainian while serving in the Ukrainian army so to say that he became a Nazi because he served with a unit that you say is Nazi is a non sequitur. As I explained to you some time ago he actually joined them because their length of service is shorter than most and certainly the Ukrainian army itself. Yet you claim to know his almost non existent political views and to tell me who I recall meeting and not - what did I have for breakfast this morning?
                    There are even Russian nationalists and Nazis in Azov too lol

                    Ukraine's other Russians

                    And also Russian Nazis are among the separatists too, like the RNE (Russian National Unity)


                    Although they seemed to have re-branded themselves, during the Donbass conflict, got rid of their traditional Swastika logo

                    and adopted the Orthodox cross instead

                    I don't know if they are just more about religion now or what, maybe they have become close with the Church...

                    RNE mercenaries now also fighting for Assad in Syria too


                    Personally, I think the Russian government is making a HUGE mistake using these people, arming them, giving them all this combat experience.

                    RNE already tried to stage an armed coup in Moscow, back in 1993, led by their supreme commander, Alexander Barkashov



                    even managed to take over the City Hall building back then, I believe

                    But they were defeated back then, because they and the Communists failed to really unite against the troops loyal to Yeltsin.

                    Been banned for many years. Now, Putin brought them back out. Huge mistake. Huge.

                    But, anyway, there are also Muslims from Russia and Central Asia fighting for the seps too






                    There were Kadyrov's Chechens deployed there, "Battalion of Death" and such






                    Most of them though have went back to Chechnya now. I hear they didn't get along very well with other fighters and so the others all wanted them out :D Chechens are notoriously difficult people to coexist with, God knows...

                    I've also read allegations in Russian media most Muslims fighting for Ukraine are jihadis

                    though I think that's an exaggeration for propaganda.

                    It fascinates me how complex that whole war is...

                    Anyway, here is an interesting article from today:

                    Former Ukrainian serviceman Vitaliy Markiv, who is suspected of killing Italian photojournalist Andrea Rocchelli near the city of Sloviansk, Donetsk region, in May 2014, was arrested in Italy, Ukrainian Deputy Prosecutor General Yevhen Yenin said on Saturday.

                    “The Prosecutor General’s Office was astounded with arrest of Ukrainian serviceman Vitaliy Markiv in Italy on suspicion put forward by the Prosecutor Office of the city of Pavia of killing photojournalist Anrea Rocchelli near the city of Sloviansk in May 2014,” Yenin said on Facebook.

                    He recalled that an investigation into the death of Italian citizen Rocchelli and his Russian partner Andrei Mironov is underway in Ukraine.

                    According to the Ukrainian side, journalists were killed in a shelling conducted by the troops of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, Yenin said.

                    “The Prosecutor General’s Office actively cooperates with the Italian counterparts in this investigation, provides them with the outcomes of questioning of witnesses, the results of examinations, and so forth,” he said.

                    The Ukrainian Prosecutor General’s Office has already requested the Italian authorities to provide substantiated proof of Markiv’s guilt or release him immediately, he said.
                    Ex-Ukrainian servicemen, suspect of killing photographer near Sloviansk, detained in Italy

                    Also: MP: Markiv detained in Italy is acting platoon commander in Kulchytsky battalion

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                    • Originally posted by troung View Post
                      It's a Nazi militia, not a militia which happened to have some Nazis.
                      No, as I said before you do not need to be a 'Nazi' or even right wing to join Azov - nor a muslim to join Sheikh Mansour Battalion. Just wrong.

                      Originally posted by troung View Post
                      Light weight reasoning.
                      Gurkhas have their own political and religious beliefs in the British army... some Muslims no doubt serve in 'Western' Armies; it is not a matter of agreeing to any doctrine - religious or political but agreeing that Ukraine is a free and independent sovereign nation and wanting to defend your home.

                      Originally posted by troung View Post
                      It wouldn't change his ethnic origin, but it damn sure made him a become a Neo-Nazi.
                      When was the last time you met my Brother?

                      Originally posted by troung View Post
                      So he sought out and voluntarily joined the Neo-Nazis so he could have shorter tour? The only relevant thing is him admitting that he went out of his way to join them. In the same way snazzy uniforms isn't an out for volunteering with the Waffen SS, a shorter tour isn't an out either.
                      Certainly he wanted a shorter tour - he has business concerns in Poland and Ukraine. Nor are Azov in any way equivalent to the Waffen SS.

                      Originally posted by troung View Post
                      Though to be fair I can't blame you entirely for the post-hoc excuses sucking, as I'm sure you expected people here to be wowed by you having a "heroic Neo-Nazi" in the family.
                      If my Brother had joined some 'neo Nazi' political party I would have been concerned. He did not. He served in a Ukrainian volunteer battalion. For you to claim to know his political views, such as they are, without having met him - is frankly just BS and an attempt to insult my family - you are free to insult my views anytime - but not those my family of which you know nothing.

                      Originally posted by troung View Post
                      Combine that with your hatred of Russians...
                      I have a Muscovite cousin in my family home. I do not hate them - I hate their Chekist Mafiosi Government and wish they could be free.

                      I cannot be bothered to reply to your trolling again. Either you cannot read or simply ignore my replies and just repeat your same ignorant accusations again. Enjoy your Putin brown nosing President while he lasts.

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                      • No, as I said before you do not need to be a 'Nazi' or even right wing to join Azov - nor a muslim to join Sheikh Mansour Battalion. Just wrong.
                        Joining a neo-Nazi militia transforms you into a neo-Nazi, just like joining AQ turns you into a AQ shitbag, joining an international brigade during the SCW turns you into a communist...

                        Gurkhas have their own political and religious beliefs in the British army... some Muslims no doubt serve in 'Western' Armies; it is not a matter of agreeing to any doctrine - religious or political but agreeing that Ukraine is a free and independent sovereign nation and wanting to defend your home.
                        A Gurkha joining a British army regiment doesn't change ethnic origins; someone joining an ISIS unit becomes a member of ISIS.

                        Certainly he wanted a shorter tour - he has business concerns in Poland and Ukraine. Nor are Azov in any way equivalent to the Waffen SS.
                        Both groups are armed Nazis, though with the benefit of seventy years hindsight into the horror of said ideology your brother sought out a local tribute militia of neo-Nazis and allegedly joined up.

                        If my Brother had joined some 'neo Nazi' political party I would have been concerned. He did not. He served in a Ukrainian volunteer battalion. For you to claim to know his political views, such as they are, without having met him - is frankly just BS and an attempt to insult my family - you are free to insult my views anytime - but not those my family of which you know nothing.
                        Volunteer neo-Nazi militia. Yes he is a neo-Nazi and I know he is a piece of trash. Your alleged brother sought out and joined a neo-Nazi militia which you are proud of but yet are ashamed to admit, when met with scorn, that he is a neo-nazi. This isn't rocket science and frankly it's bizarre.

                        I have a Muscovite cousin in my family home. I do not hate them - I hate their Chekist Mafiosi Government and wish they could be free.
                        "I have black friends" said the racist. That said saying someone from your family allegedly married "one" is an even worse argument (involuntary association). I'm sure you tell this alleged poor person about how much you hate that Asiatic-Muscovites have stolen Ukraine's glorious history and culture, maybe your brother draws swastikas on their napkins for Christmas dinner...

                        I cannot be bothered to reply to your trolling again. Either you cannot read or simply ignore my replies and just repeat your same ignorant accusations again.
                        It's not trolling and your replies aren't any good (not getting the difference between an ethnic group being recruited into a national army and a Nazi political militia), had I talked about how great it was that your brother joined the Nazis and will fight in a pan-whatever crusade alongside such great patriots to reclaim the glorious Ukrainian national heritage from the Mongol-Moscovite hordes you would be glowing in unearned pride. In instead here we are you the ethnic Russian hating purveyor of made up stories mad that I know your (possibly made up) brother is a piece of trash for being in the armed wing of a neo-nazi group. Sucks :(

                        Enjoy your Putin brown nosing President while he lasts.
                        KAG-2020; seeing how outraged foreigners got over the results last November makes me want to relive that great day.
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                        To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                        • come on grow a pair and admit that you hate them as a people. To do less is cowardly.
                          Given that you are (presumably) a Trump supporter, could I also ascertain that you hate all Mexicans as a people? “No, of course not”, you might say “I only hate the ones who come to the U.S illegally, hence the border wall.”

                          But wait! How can that be? In your eyes, it is entirely inconceivable that a given behaviour or dare I say ideologybelong to but a fraction of a given population. Apparently in your mind all Russians are Putin sympathizers, and perhaps in a similar vein, all Mexicans have a predisposition to crossing state borders illegally. But the latter at least just isn’t quite true, is it?
                          Alternatively, perhaps you do indeed hate all Mexicans, in which case I don’t see how you can rag on snapper for “hating Russians as a people”. Are you not the pot calling the kettle black?

                          So he sought out and voluntarily joined the Neo-Nazis so he could have shorter tour? The only relevant thing is him admitting that he went out of his way to join them
                          .

                          You are grossly oversimplifying the issue here. Compared to an individual American who may have a zero per cent stake in the outcome of the war in Donbass, it is reasonable to believe that a native Pole or Ukrainian would feel under threat. Now, if this aforementioned Pole or Ukrainian simultaneously has a family to provide for, you can imagine he is in a bit of a pickle. Does he abandon his family for months/years in the hope of surviving through to the end of the war? Or does he sit at home and hope and pray that Ukraine does not lose its footing in Donbass and that his family may, with luck, continue to live in peace? Neither option is particularly attractive. Perhaps the Azov Battalion, while unsavoury in its ideals, is the only viable solution for a man desperate to save his family’s home. Because he is a member does not necessarily mean he is an ardent neo-Nazi, but may perhaps mean instead that he is a man who feels that he is at the end of his rope.
                          Just imagine for a moment (logistics and politics aside), if for example Russia or North Korea were to invade the United States. Would you be content to wait and see how things might turn out? Or would you seek to ensure the protection of your family and loved ones? Upon being met with solutions that clashed with your inner values, would you admit defeat, give up, and allow your family’s future to be decided by the powers that be? I’m guessing not.

                          Empathy will get you far in this life, I suggest you try it sometime. It may even inadvertently cure the unending miserableness that you appear to exude on a regular basis. Give it a shot!

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                          • Originally posted by IWasHere View Post
                            Given that you are (presumably) a Trump supporter, could I also ascertain that you hate all Mexicans as a people? “No, of course not”, you might say “I only hate the ones who come to the U.S illegally, hence the border wall.”

                            But wait! How can that be? In your eyes, it is entirely inconceivable that a given behaviour or dare I say ideologybelong to but a fraction of a given population. Apparently in your mind all Russians are Putin sympathizers, and perhaps in a similar vein, all Mexicans have a predisposition to crossing state borders illegally. But the latter at least just isn’t quite true, is it?
                            Alternatively, perhaps you do indeed hate all Mexicans, in which case I don’t see how you can rag on snapper for “hating Russians as a people”. Are you not the pot calling the kettle black?

                            .

                            You are grossly oversimplifying the issue here. Compared to an individual American who may have a zero per cent stake in the outcome of the war in Donbass, it is reasonable to believe that a native Pole or Ukrainian would feel under threat. Now, if this aforementioned Pole or Ukrainian simultaneously has a family to provide for, you can imagine he is in a bit of a pickle. Does he abandon his family for months/years in the hope of surviving through to the end of the war? Or does he sit at home and hope and pray that Ukraine does not lose its footing in Donbass and that his family may, with luck, continue to live in peace? Neither option is particularly attractive. Perhaps the Azov Battalion, while unsavoury in its ideals, is the only viable solution for a man desperate to save his family’s home. Because he is a member does not necessarily mean he is an ardent neo-Nazi, but may perhaps mean instead that he is a man who feels that he is at the end of his rope.
                            Just imagine for a moment (logistics and politics aside), if for example Russia or North Korea were to invade the United States. Would you be content to wait and see how things might turn out? Or would you seek to ensure the protection of your family and loved ones? Upon being met with solutions that clashed with your inner values, would you admit defeat, give up, and allow your family’s future to be decided by the powers that be? I’m guessing not.

                            Empathy will get you far in this life, I suggest you try it sometime. It may even inadvertently cure the unending miserableness that you appear to exude on a regular basis. Give it a shot!
                            You just described the reason all those Russian volunteers head to Donbass too. They believe that if Donbass were to fall to the "junta" in Kiev; they would attack Crimea next and, with NATO's help, Russia proper itself.

                            That's silly. Just as silly as to think that Russia is going to all out invade Ukraine; let alone fucking Poland. If Putin wanted to attack Ukraine with all he hasat his disposal, be would have done so already. It's been three years, you know.

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                            • Given that you are (presumably) a Trump supporter, could I also ascertain that you hate all Mexicans as a people? “No, of course not”, you might say “I only hate the ones who come to the U.S illegally, hence the border wall.”
                              Voting for a guy to finally enforce our immigration laws and back out of trade deals is different than joining a neo-Nazi battalion.

                              Apparently in your mind all Russians are Putin sympathizers, and perhaps in a similar vein, a
                              Nope.

                              All Mexicans have a predisposition to crossing state borders illegally. But the latter at least just isn’t quite true, is it?
                              Strawman,and once again enforcing immigration laws (laws in line with much of the world) isn't Nazism.

                              erhaps the Azov Battalion, while unsavoury in its ideals, is the only viable solution for a man desperate to save his family’s home. Because he is a member does not necessarily mean he is an ardent neo-Nazi, but may perhaps mean instead that he is a man who feels that he is at the end of his rope.!
                              Dafuq? She didn't even try that one.

                              "The bank was about to sell our farm..."

                              Empathy will get you far in this life, I suggest you try it sometime. It may even inadvertently cure the unending miserableness that you appear to exude on a regular basis. Give it a shot!
                              Hating keeps me young and virile. Thanks for the totally useless tip random internet person sloppily trying to grope at some sort of moral high ground... :(
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                              • Originally posted by IWasHere View Post
                                You are grossly oversimplifying the issue here. Perhaps the Azov Battalion, while unsavoury in...

                                Empathy will get you far in this life, I suggest you try it sometime. It may even inadvertently cure the unending miserableness that you appear to exude on a regular basis. Give it a shot!
                                Empathy...I'll give it a shot.
                                Yes, just because the Azov Battalion was founded by the leader of the Neo-Nazi Social National Assembly Andryi Biletsky making statements about the "White Races of the world...in a final crusade against Semite-led untermenschen" or its members enjoy wearing and parading Neo-Nazi symbols and Waffen §§ regalia and includes Neo-Nazis among its leadership cadre brandishing slogans regarding their "historic mission" doesn't make every member of that battalion a core believer in Neo-Nazi ideology.

                                Some people like to kill anyone, anyplace , anytime. Just give them a reason and some impunity from punishment.

                                Some people like wearing Nazi accoutrements and collecting Nazi memorabilia because ahh...well...umm...beacause it looks cool.

                                Some folks don't care about the leadership's Neo-Nazi message of ultranationalism or racism as long as they can ransack private homes ('mass looting'), torture or beat civilians with little to no restrictive oversight from their commanders...ya know, basically boys just wanna have a bit of fun while they're wearing uniforms and brandishing weapons.

                                So surely couldn't less than half of the Battalion be truly ardent and sincere supporters of the Neo-Nazi message, maybe even as few as only 20% of the Battalion ? Couldn't that be possible ?
                                Does this in itself make every member of the Battalion a "Neo-Nazi" ? (Why of course not, 'Hail victory!' ,
                                eh.)

                                "Now sir, tell me one more time. Exactly why specifically do you wish to volunteer in joining the Azov Battalion ?"

                                As the English might say , "The proof is in the pudding" or possibly better yet ,"If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it is a duck."
                                Real eyes realize real lies.

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