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    Independence Day parade in Kyiv. For the first time this year female soldiers marched;


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    Meanwhile the well known Muscovite car producer... Kalashnikov has produced it's prototype electric "supercar":

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45292028

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    Zakharchenko, the self styled "Prime Minister of the Donetsk Peoples Republic" killed in a bomb blast today.

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    Good riddance.

    Hopefully this is only just Zakharchenko outliving his usefulness to Putin, rather than a false flag, like Gleiwitz, that's start to something.

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    Looks like Igor Plotnitsky got away lightly.

    Don't think it's a 'Gleiwitz' style false flag as they been doing this fairly regularly; 'Motorola' and 'Givi' both got bumped off. Also they are preparing for 'Vostok 2018' Exercises in the east.
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    US ready to boost arms supplies to Ukraine naval and air forces, envoy says

    How much of this will have any effect on the ground remains to be seen. No country is going to fight Ukraine's war.
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    There are already Chechen, Polish, Belarusian, Croat, Serbian, Lithuanian, Swedish and yes even Muscovite men and Ladies, fighting for Ukraine. I had a British and a Polish passport in 2014, now only a Ukrainian one. Because it is "For our freedom and yours" and we understand that. But you say nobody else?

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    Yeah, I see lost territory.
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    I see... Do forgive my mistake. Foolish of me to mistake your comment regarding nobody else being interested in fighting for Ukraine for the obvious complaint that we have not yet liberated the occupied areas. I fully agree with you; we should advance but there are political and practical constraints. What we have seen is the Muscovite army stopped in it's tracks at first by volunteers - who nearly won it alone - for four years when in 2014 they were speaking of "being in Kyiv in two weeks" and all their Novyrossia nonsense. In the meantime whole swathes of reforms have been implemented and army has been created.

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    You've seen what Garry said here.
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    Indeed and I will be interested to see if he is willing to call Putin a liar or not. For me that is not a problem.

    There are so many contradictions in Garry's comments it's untrue. Speaking of Georgia he says "Another issue is - I doubt Russia has capability or willingness to occupy and control Georgia.... it would require lots of resources and will give no benefit." If Muscovy does not have the resources to occupy Georgia how is it possible for them to occupy a far larger country like Ukraine?
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    Sorry to open a can of worms, but why do you call Russians Muscovites?

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    Lol, well it is a long story about history which I shall private message you or put in the history section if you wish but mostly because I am at heart a historian, know about the history of the Slavic countries and think it matters. It is like asking why I object to Putin referring to Anna of Kyiv (who married Henry l of France in 1051) as "Anne of Russia": Moscow nor the Principality of Moscow - let alone the Muscovite Empire - never even existed when Anne of Kyiv, a Princess of Kyivan Rus married a French King nearly a thousand yrs ago.

    Likewise they claim 'Vladimir the Great' (Volodymyr in Ukrainian), the first Knaz (King or Prince) of Kyiv and Novgorod to adopt the Orthodox faith as their own but Moscow nor it's later iterations did not exist. The truth is priests from Kyiv took Christianity elsewhere.

    Again the Tsars used to refer to themselves as "Tsars of all the Rus" but after the Soviets took over they appropriated the historical name that derived from old Kyivan Rus entirely for their own. Thus they claim that Ukrainians and Muscovites are the "same people" or that Ukraine is just "little Russia"; it belongs to Moscow being the prime claim based on this theft of history and name. So by calling "Russia" what it truly is - a Muscovite Empire - I assert the historical fact and deny their claim to my home - which since my family lived in what is now Western Ukraine (in the 15th Century) was mostly in Poland or the Austro Hungarian Empire anyway.

    Basically I deny their right to use the heritage of others so they cannot make the claims that proceed. I hope that provides some explanation.

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    So a bit of religious politics has been going between Ukraine and the Muscovite Church under Kirill of Moscow. Just to give some background there was a reason why Pussy Riot got protested in a Church (and later went to prison for it) that time - the Moscow Church has rights to import cigarettes and alcohol which they sell for a profit; one some lines they have a monopoly so they are not entirely holier than thou but are big Putin supporters - they likely have to pay a percentage of their profits to him for these economic privileges.

    So I cannot claim to be an expert of Orthodox Church law or Churches in Ukraine - I am a Polish Ukrainian and a Catholic but as far as I understand it there are three Ukrainian Orthodox Churches: the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (the Moscow Patriarchate), run directly from Moscow, Ukrainian Orthodox Church Kyiv Patriarchate, which is regarded as 'schismatic' by Moscow and has been unrecognised by other Orthodox churches until now and lastly the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church who are more in line with the Kyiv Patriarchate Orthodox. To add to the confusion there is a fourth Church, particularly in Western Ukraine; the Greco Roman (or Greek Catholic) Church which practices the Orthodox rights and Services but recognises the Pope as it's head.

    The fight that has been going on is between Kyiv and Moscow Patriarchates. Here is a brief historical explanation by a Greek Catholic Priest:



    Here is the Synods decision today:



    Basically they have annulled the 1686 claim of Moscow Patriarchate to ownership of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, said that the Kyiv Patriarchate is now not schismatic and are clearly on course to grant the Kyiv Patriarchate autocephaly meaning the Ukrainian church will answer to Constantinople Patriarchate rather than Moscow Patriarchate.

    For some obviously this is a big deal - not sure I see it myself but certainly a step forward no matter.

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