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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mihais View Post
    China.
    It wasn't a question, but a mere observation. Glad we agree. (as most of the time).
    No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

    To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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    • #17
      One thing for certain. NATO has just been reborned and Western defence cuts have just ended.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
        One thing for certain. NATO has just been reborned and Western defence cuts have just ended.
        Sir, in a scenario unlike earlier there are a lot of players in the field, considering that can really someone just be a NA country or will they be forced to join either of the sides? What will be the future of geo politics ?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
          One thing for certain. NATO has just been reborned and Western defence cuts have just ended.
          Hahahahhahaha. "Defense cuts have just ended" hahahahahha.
          That was a really good joke.

          Defense cuts will go down by a 1/3rd.

          My feeling is the amount of overhead and margin pumping is so large throughout the system there needs to be systemic pressure to clear it out. Why should a plane here cost 6 times more than one elsewhere? or a ship cost 10 times more? All these budget money given to contractors whom give it to subcontractors which creates margins on margins on margins of cost and yet the effectiveness of those dollar goes down by magnitude.

          There has to be some dis-inter mediation otherwise budget goes up and what is done with it goes down. If contractors are being paid 80-100k for roles previously done by army on the ground in Afghanistan how much are the companies employing those contractors are paid? 300k-400k per? so before you could have 10k on the ground now you can only have 1.5k because of all this layering and yet spending is by a magnitude larger. yah sustainable... rrright.
          Originally from Sochi, Russia.

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          • #20
            European spending is what the Colonel meant.For 20 years every army has been a mix between an expeditionary force and an alternative for social security.

            The good thing is that in 5 years we'll be back on doing the real deal stuff,besides doing Chads or A-stans.

            Combat power is not directly related to the amount of money,contrary to what some Carthaginians and Americans might think.It's about how well money are spent.
            Those who know don't speak
            He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
              One thing for certain. NATO has just been reborned and Western defence cuts have just ended.
              I thought that the rebirth happened in 1999 or maybe it was just conceived than.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                European spending is what the Colonel meant.For 20 years every army has been a mix between an expeditionary force and an alternative for social security.

                The good thing is that in 5 years we'll be back on doing the real deal stuff,besides doing Chads or A-stans.

                Combat power is not directly related to the amount of money,contrary to what some Carthaginians and Americans might think.It's about how well money are spent.
                "It's about how well money are spent." I believe that the main problem lies there.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Versus View Post
                  I thought that the rebirth happened in 1999 or maybe it was just conceived than.
                  Nope, neither in 2008. This is the crossroad. NATO was lost after mid '90s.

                  Remember that scene from the Canadian Bacon where Americans have issues finding an enemy? It became real. It was so boring in their HQs I assume.
                  No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                  To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                  • #24
                    Cyppok,

                    You clearly have no understanding of the process of how weapons are procured.

                    Don't bother to venture into an area such as that without a thorough understanding of the subject matter.
                    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                    Mark Twain

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                      Cyppok,

                      You clearly have no understanding of the process of how weapons are procured.

                      Don't bother to venture into an area such as that without a thorough understanding of the subject matter.
                      Thanks,

                      For a moment I thought my ignorance is so deep.
                      No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                      To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                        Cyppok,

                        You clearly have no understanding of the process of how weapons are procured.

                        Don't bother to venture into an area such as that without a thorough understanding of the subject matter.
                        Procurement is one thing. I understand why 100 planes have thousands of contractors and subcontractors.

                        What I do not understand is why you then have interposed standard bearers between maker and producer to add aditional costs fore 'testing' and development which simply imposes costs. Furthermore I do not understand this in the service sphere at all. If you have service arms being contracted for duty in Afghanistan why have armed forces and deployment at all just hire Blackwater or Xe or Academi and send them.

                        Budget has to come down to 400-450 billion those 200+ billion of useless costs in company profit extraction mechanisms for military industrial (useless) complex have to be cut. I can understand why someone gets paid for a missile, a plane, a turbine. What I do not get is the consulting services that simply take the same engineer that served in the army hire him double his salary and charge the army six to twelve times that amount for a service contract.
                        Originally from Sochi, Russia.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          One thing for certain. NATO has just been reborned and Western defence cuts have just ended.
                          Yep, it's set a standard that will be in place for at least the next twenty years.
                          In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                          Leibniz

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                          • #28
                            Cyppok,

                            For the first time in weeks you actually made sense.

                            You admitted several times in a post that you did not understand.

                            That is a good start.

                            When you have your Masters in Acquisition Logistics, Level 3 Certified and have 26 years practical experience in the field come on back and debate the point.

                            You examples are grossly flawed.

                            Private contractors do not carry out military operations on behalf of the nation state called the United States.

                            They serve as either service contractors on a short term basis or they serve as security functionaries of the State Department or the CIA NOT the Department of Defense.

                            DOD may execute the contract vehicle but we do so on behalf of another branch of government.

                            Why pay someone as a contractor for their expertise?

                            Because it is cheaper to pay for those years of expertise and then terminate when you no longer need the skill set.
                            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                            Mark Twain

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                            • #29
                              So what will be more profitable to build, atomic shelters or weapons? Or does it really matter. This is going to be so ugly...:insane:
                              Last edited by Versus; 19 Mar 14,, 22:46.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by cyppok View Post
                                Hahahahhahaha. "Defense cuts have just ended" hahahahahha.
                                That was a really good joke.
                                Right. The joke is on you and Putin. NATO countries with border disputes with Russia will now put the gun besides their flag planting.

                                Originally posted by cyppok View Post
                                Defense cuts will go down by a 1/3rd.
                                HQs across NATO just increased their patrol tempos. The RCN was planning three Artic patrol this year. Today, they've just planned an exercise with the Northern Rangers.

                                We've all found the money. The army is downsizing and postponing new buys in favour of the Navy and the AF. Look for more aggressive sovergnty claims across the board backed by the military muscle to enforce them.

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