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  • #31
    Originally posted by 1979 View Post
    And the russians are much better ?
    :whome:
    In the Operational Arts? Heads and shoulders above the Ukrainians.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by 1979 View Post
      And the russians are much better ?
      :whome:
      the only numbers that matter are the one's that both sides can deploy .
      However I do not see the political will to stand up to the russians .
      J'ai en marre.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
        In the Operational Arts? Heads and shoulders above the Ukrainians.
        The force they got in there is too small to qualify.
        I say that both are deply in the tactical bucket .
        J'ai en marre.

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        • #34
          Since the descendants of those who collaborated with Hitler have overthrown the elected president by violence, violent anti-Semitism with German help seems to only answer, until the Americans use nuclear weapons. Let corruption inherit the earth!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by 1979 View Post
            The force they got in there is too small to qualify.
            I say that both are deply in the tactical bucket .
            The Russians got the Crimea without firing a single shot. They read their oppenants right. I say that qualifies to a T.

            Originally posted by iolo View Post
            Since the descendants of those who collaborated with Hitler have overthrown the elected president by violence, violent anti-Semitism with German help seems to only answer, until the Americans use nuclear weapons. Let corruption inherit the earth!
            Who the hell are you?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post

              Who the hell are you?
              Fresh meat, colonel!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by 1979 View Post
                The force they got in there is too small to qualify.
                I say that both are deply in the tactical bucket .
                Bro,with what they have now in Crimea,they can hold Perekop isthmus until Manstein resurrects from the dead. If they don't like defending,they can attack as well.
                The 20th Army has a free ride to the Dnepr.Only some UA paras provide a symbolic force east of the river.
                Those who know don't speak
                He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by iolo View Post
                  Since the descendants of those who collaborated with Hitler have overthrown the elected president by violence, violent anti-Semitism with German help seems to only answer, until the Americans use nuclear weapons. Let corruption inherit the earth!
                  Take a week off and get yourself recalibrated.
                  “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                  Mark Twain

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                    Bro,with what they have now in Crimea,they can hold Perekop isthmus until Manstein resurrects from the dead. If they don't like defending,they can attack as well.
                    The 20th Army has a free ride to the Dnepr.Only some UA paras provide a symbolic force east of the river.
                    20 what ?
                    they took one week to suround some low readiness outposts that ukraine has there , they were lacking men not being cautious.
                    Last edited by 1979; 17 Mar 14,, 20:28.
                    J'ai en marre.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by 1979 View Post
                      20 what ?
                      they took one week to suround some low readiness outposts that ukraine has there , they were lacking men not being cautious.
                      This one Western Military District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia They knew precisely what was going inside those units.The best of the UA,the Marines,walked disarmed in their own barracks,while the Russian Marines stood armed by them.Absent the friendly chats,it could have been a prison camp.

                      From the first hour of the operation,the Russians were able to block and defeat every Ukrainian unit on a 1 vs 3 basis.That is a Russian company could have kept a UA btn in place.

                      The op reeked of everything except caution.
                      Those who know don't speak
                      He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                      • #41
                        Are you saying that UA Marines are Russian speakers?
                        No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                        To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          The Russians got the Crimea without firing a single shot. They read their oppenants right. I say that qualifies to a T.
                          Tactically brilliant but strategically blunder. Now Russia just created another enemy to defend against on her southwestern flank. Instead of no army, now there is an army to defend against. NATO just gotten stronger because now Poland and the Baltic States would be pushing for more defense spending and western powers would have no choice but to comply.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                            Tactically brilliant but strategically blunder. Now Russia just created another enemy to defend against on her southwestern flank. Instead of no army, now there is an army to defend against. NATO just gotten stronger because now Poland and the Baltic States would be pushing for more defense spending and western powers would have no choice but to comply.
                            How is it bad for Russia? Instead Poland and Co. to invest in infrastructure, health, social whatever, they will put the money in the military. No way on Earth Russia will get attacked by Poland.
                            No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                            To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                              How is it bad for Russia? Instead Poland and Co. to invest in infrastructure, health, social whatever, they will put the money in the military. No way on Earth Russia will get attacked by Poland.
                              Poland won't attack Russia first but Russia will be hemmed, boxed in, and stretched all along its western flank. Instead of having Ukraine as an useful buffer and not worry too much about its southwestern flank and only had to worry about Poland, now with Russian moves in Crimea, it scared the Baltic states and Poland into more vigilant and stronger defensive posture and woke up NATO and reinvigorated NATO into thinking that the old enemy is not yet gone, and Ukraine is now a hostile country seeking to recapture Crimea. Not only that, it has to worry about China. Putin and Russia are not doing anything to minimize the threat posture or profile that Russia faces, in fact, they just increased it.

                              Russia lost friends or neutral countries and gained enemies. That, to me, is tactically brilliant but strategically blunder. Russia could have gotten Crimea back without making rest of Ukraine enemy simply by letting a civil war happen and Crimea could break away and showing to western Ukraine that their coup was a costly mistake and that the western Ukrainians were the one that caused it to happen and the rest of the world would have agreed with it. But now everybody think that Russia was behind the whole thing and puts the blame entirely on Russia. Now they are suspicious of Russia and do not trust Russia anymore and instead of making the world a multipolar world, Russia just succeeded in reaffirming US as the global leader that most countries will unite behind and making the world a uni-polar world which Russia wanted to avoid at all costs.

                              How, other than Belarus and one or two stans in Central Asia and to some extent, India, Russia has no real allies or friends and only more enemies. There are less support for Russian policies or movements on the world stage now. Putin will not be allowed to lead on the global stage and that will be painfully obvious to Putin as time goes on.

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                              • #45
                                Yep, Russia started revolts to topple the President of Ukraine in order to snatch Crimea. Mhmm...
                                No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                                To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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