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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mithridates View Post
    The Ukrainian military is supposedly in the midst of a general mobilization. Would anyone care to guess the minimum amount of time needed for a low-readiness, low-budget military like Ukraine's to get into some semblance of fighting shape, such that the troops are somewhat more than untrained rabble?
    You are never ready enough.



    It has English captions.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by snapper View Post
      You are never ready enough.



      It has English captions.
      just spectacular propaganda piece. [done Hollywood style with music and stuff lots of money spent]

      The sober reality is thus. The ideological split permeates the army just like any other aspect of society. That is one of the reasons they shifted top-echelons of commanding officers among then country from east to west and vice versa.

      Just imagine right sector trying to direct soldiers and officers whom are armed into an asymmetric conflict while those people have a different identity and ideological world view. Sooner or later they turn around and mow those right sector people down.

      A national force so divided is not very 'cohesive' to put it mildly.
      It would be very wrong to start a civil war in Ukraine because long term the outcomes would be extremely poor for everyone.

      Imagine two or three new countries, one of which would essentially be ruled by ultra-nationalists. Ergo Republic of Svoboda with a capital in Lviv. Because that is the reality of such an outcome.
      Originally from Sochi, Russia.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by cyppok View Post
        The sober reality is thus. The ideological split permeates the army just like any other aspect of society. That is one of the reasons they shifted top-echelons of commanding officers among then country from east to west and vice versa.
        Is that a given? Russian-speakers in Israel obviously favor Russia from a foreign policy standpoint, but would presumably side with Israel's national interest over any Russian threat to those interests.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mithridates View Post
          Is that a given? Russian-speakers in Israel obviously favor Russia from a foreign policy standpoint, but would presumably side with Israel's national interest over any Russian threat to those interests.
          The threat comes from comes from Kiev. The division internally is not created by Russia this whole East vs West (Ukraine) aspect is internally generated via language rights, subsidy transfer, some being heard and others stifled, etc... Crimea leaving is simply a manifestation of this.

          When they came to power and the next day voiced what they will do and how they will basically strip south-east of all rights and shove it down their throats Crimea left and others started revolting.
          Originally from Sochi, Russia.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by cyppok View Post
            When they came to power and the next day voiced what they will do and how they will basically strip south-east of all rights and shove it down their throats Crimea left and others started revolting.
            Nobody but you saw or heard of this.

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            • #21
              Does anybody know why the Crimea's referendum is illegal according to international laws, not mentioning Ukraine's constitution?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by hanswu25 View Post
                Does anybody know why the Crimea's referendum is illegal according to international laws, not mentioning Ukraine's constitution?
                Here is what the Venice Commission has to tell you. Hope this suffice.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by SebastianKirsch View Post
                  In Crimea you do have a division between Russian-rooted people, and pro European Ukrainians plus the Tartarian minority.
                  A little correction: there is no division between Russians and Ukrainians in Crimea. And the local Ukrainians are not pro European. It's actually does not depend on ethnicity. There are some people - both Russians and Ukrainians and others too - who are convinced by Ukrainian media and who believe in so-called "European values".

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by cyppok View Post
                    just spectacular propaganda piece. [done Hollywood style with music and stuff lots of money spent]
                    I'm Crimean woman, a daughter of Russian Navy officer! I'm against the referendum!

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                    • #25
                      Ya I saw that one MrSecond before still funny though.

                      Yes snapper the split is not ethnic nor even language related ( although that plays a huge role )

                      It is more driven by identity. Even a Ukranian speaker would be pretty upset if you topple a statue of Lenin or get rid of monuments to unknown soldiers if his/her ancestors fought and died for their freedom and may have been fighting Bandera or someone like that. Now you have people in power that say no all your heroes are $#ht essentially taking a giant crap on those peoples identities and ancestors.
                      What happened after language was *blocked* by Turchinov? massive destruction of monuments. Some of those weren't even Lenin monuments... but to some people it was destruction of their identity. Ergo their self-world-consciousness does not matter in this new era gov't.
                      They even went so far as destroyed monuments of people whom founded cities where they destroyed them...

                      The biggest irony is that it was Lenin whom added all of South-East to Ukraine... after the revolution.
                      Last edited by cyppok; 16 Mar 14,, 23:11.
                      Originally from Sochi, Russia.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by cyppok View Post
                        Even a Ukranian speaker would be pretty upset if you topple a statue of Lenin or get rid of monuments to unknown soldiers if his/her ancestors fought and died for their freedom and may have been fighting Bandera or someone like that.
                        Lenin is the Russian equivalent of Hitler, so it's unclear why anybody non-Communist should be upset at the removal of monuments to this pitiless mass murderer. As to Bandera, he is the Ukrainian equivalent of Finland's Mannerheim. The only difference between Mannerheim and Bandera is that Bandera lacked the resources to drive both the Russians and the Germans out of his country, meaning he had to assist the Germans in some of their lunatic racial schemes, much as Ukrainian Communists collaborating with Russians had to help them slaughter fellow Ukrainians. The difference between Bandera and Ukrainian quislings working for the Russians is that Bandera wanted an independent homeland, whereas the Ukrainian communists were content to be subservient to Russia.

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                        • #27
                          Russia is currently run by a guy who said: "Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century." Rather than a fight against the s[read of Communism the Cold War is being treated by some as 'anti-Russian'. So modern Russia gets to avoid responsibility for the murderous & totalitarian policies of the past by blaming them on Communism while using Western opposition to them to fuel a sense of victimhood. It is the same mentality that has no problem going to war to prevent ethnic minorities leaving Russia but then reserves the right to hive off the territory of other nations as it pleases.

                          If you have been paying attention to the contributions of our Russian members to this forum you surely can't be surprised that the tearing down of statues of a murderous totalitarian Russian dictator could be used as fuel for a sense of victimhood.
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                          • #28
                            Ukraine's fallen statues of Lenin are not just a rejection of Russia | Srecko Horvat | Comment is free | theguardian.com
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                            To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mithridates View Post
                              The Ukrainian military is supposedly in the midst of a general mobilization. Would anyone care to guess the minimum amount of time needed for a low-readiness, low-budget military like Ukraine's to get into some semblance of fighting shape, such that the troops are somewhat more than untrained rabble?
                              And the russians are much better ?
                              :whome:
                              J'ai en marre.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by 1979 View Post
                                And the russians are much better ?
                                :whome:
                                In numbers, yes.
                                No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                                To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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