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Originally posted by snapper View Post
The sober reality is thus. The ideological split permeates the army just like any other aspect of society. That is one of the reasons they shifted top-echelons of commanding officers among then country from east to west and vice versa.
Just imagine right sector trying to direct soldiers and officers whom are armed into an asymmetric conflict while those people have a different identity and ideological world view. Sooner or later they turn around and mow those right sector people down.
A national force so divided is not very 'cohesive' to put it mildly.
It would be very wrong to start a civil war in Ukraine because long term the outcomes would be extremely poor for everyone.
Imagine two or three new countries, one of which would essentially be ruled by ultra-nationalists. Ergo Republic of Svoboda with a capital in Lviv. Because that is the reality of such an outcome.Originally from Sochi, Russia.
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Originally posted by cyppok View PostThe sober reality is thus. The ideological split permeates the army just like any other aspect of society. That is one of the reasons they shifted top-echelons of commanding officers among then country from east to west and vice versa.
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Originally posted by Mithridates View PostIs that a given? Russian-speakers in Israel obviously favor Russia from a foreign policy standpoint, but would presumably side with Israel's national interest over any Russian threat to those interests.
When they came to power and the next day voiced what they will do and how they will basically strip south-east of all rights and shove it down their throats Crimea left and others started revolting.Originally from Sochi, Russia.
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Originally posted by hanswu25 View PostDoes anybody know why the Crimea's referendum is illegal according to international laws, not mentioning Ukraine's constitution?No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by SebastianKirsch View PostIn Crimea you do have a division between Russian-rooted people, and pro European Ukrainians plus the Tartarian minority.
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Originally posted by cyppok View Postjust spectacular propaganda piece. [done Hollywood style with music and stuff lots of money spent]
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Ya I saw that one MrSecond before still funny though.
Yes snapper the split is not ethnic nor even language related ( although that plays a huge role )
It is more driven by identity. Even a Ukranian speaker would be pretty upset if you topple a statue of Lenin or get rid of monuments to unknown soldiers if his/her ancestors fought and died for their freedom and may have been fighting Bandera or someone like that. Now you have people in power that say no all your heroes are $#ht essentially taking a giant crap on those peoples identities and ancestors.
What happened after language was *blocked* by Turchinov? massive destruction of monuments. Some of those weren't even Lenin monuments... but to some people it was destruction of their identity. Ergo their self-world-consciousness does not matter in this new era gov't.
They even went so far as destroyed monuments of people whom founded cities where they destroyed them...
The biggest irony is that it was Lenin whom added all of South-East to Ukraine... after the revolution.Last edited by cyppok; 16 Mar 14,, 23:11.Originally from Sochi, Russia.
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Originally posted by cyppok View PostEven a Ukranian speaker would be pretty upset if you topple a statue of Lenin or get rid of monuments to unknown soldiers if his/her ancestors fought and died for their freedom and may have been fighting Bandera or someone like that.
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Russia is currently run by a guy who said: "Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century." Rather than a fight against the s[read of Communism the Cold War is being treated by some as 'anti-Russian'. So modern Russia gets to avoid responsibility for the murderous & totalitarian policies of the past by blaming them on Communism while using Western opposition to them to fuel a sense of victimhood. It is the same mentality that has no problem going to war to prevent ethnic minorities leaving Russia but then reserves the right to hive off the territory of other nations as it pleases.
If you have been paying attention to the contributions of our Russian members to this forum you surely can't be surprised that the tearing down of statues of a murderous totalitarian Russian dictator could be used as fuel for a sense of victimhood.sigpic
Win nervously lose tragically - Reds C C
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No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by Mithridates View PostThe Ukrainian military is supposedly in the midst of a general mobilization. Would anyone care to guess the minimum amount of time needed for a low-readiness, low-budget military like Ukraine's to get into some semblance of fighting shape, such that the troops are somewhat more than untrained rabble?
:whome:J'ai en marre.
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