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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Or simple refugee migration... Lets not jump to conclusions.
    Refugee migration via a plane and immigration channels. Please help me understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    Refugee migration via a plane and immigration channels. Please help me understand.
    Pretty commonplace. Most common way for asylum seekers to get to Australia. Fly in on your own passport or (much less commonly) a fake on & claim asylum. Given the destination here that seems less likely. Drug smuggling or some other criminal activity, on the other hand, very possible. Expect a forensic analysis of CCTV footage from KL airport. In the meantime will the 777 fleet be grounded? Could be a messy time for Boeing, especially if they can't recover the flight data recorder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post
    Pretty commonplace. Most common way for asylum seekers to get to Australia. Fly in on your own passport or (much less commonly) a fake on & claim asylum. Given the destination here that seems less likely. Drug smuggling or some other criminal activity, on the other hand, very possible. Expect a forensic analysis of CCTV footage from KL airport. In the meantime will the 777 fleet be grounded? Could be a messy time for Boeing, especially if they can't recover the flight data recorder.
    Migrants from Malaysian using European passports stolen in Thailand?

    Drug smugglers can get plenty of people to fly with their own passports. Why increase the risk using stolen ones?

    The 777 is one of the safest commercial jet liners in history. What could cause an even that gave no time for a radio distress call?

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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    Migrants from Malaysian using European passports stolen in Thailand?
    Malaysia has a large refugee population. Sri Lankans, Rohinga, Iranians, Iraqi, Afghans & more. A lot of the refugees who try to get to Australia pass through there. it is therefore a big centre for the international criminal syndicates who smuggle people. This provides a market for stolen IDs - Thailand is just next door and I'm sure criminal gangs there work across the border. I'm not saying this is what happened, just that it is possible.

    Drug smugglers can get plenty of people to fly with their own passports. Why increase the risk using stolen ones?
    Just speculation. Just because it is not the most likely explanation doesn't mean it isn't the case. Could be other some other criminal activity too. Could be terrorism.

    The 777 is one of the safest commercial jet liners in history. What could cause an even that gave no time for a radio distress call?
    Good question. At this point we know next to nothing. People at Boeing will be going apeshit until they can nail this down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by citanon View Post
    Migrants from Malaysian using European passports stolen in Thailand?

    Drug smugglers can get plenty of people to fly with their own passports. Why increase the risk using stolen ones?
    Drugs are not the only illicit cargo moving about via human, sometimes its humans that are the cargo. I use the term refugee and migration loosely.

    The 777 is one of the safest commercial jet liners in history. What could cause an even that gave no time for a radio distress call?
    Ask Chigy, he flies those skies and knows more about what might cause a plane to vanish. This is hardly the first time its happened, just the first time for the 777.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post
    Malaysia has a large refugee population. Sri Lankans, Rohinga, Iranians, Iraqi, Afghans & more. A lot of the refugees who try to get to Australia pass through there. it is therefore a big centre for the international criminal syndicates who smuggle people. This provides a market for stolen IDs - Thailand is just next door and I'm sure criminal gangs there work across the border. I'm not saying this is what happened, just that it is possible.
    I still don't think this makes sense. They were going to Beijing, not known as a haven for refugees.

    In fact I can't help but wonder if the timing was coordinated with the terror attacks in Kunming last week.
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    Have the Uighur been known to conduct attacks outside of China or on aircraft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonBelt View Post
    Have the Uighur been known to conduct attacks outside of China or on aircraft?
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    Little is known of the Uighurs conducting attacks outside China. Here is one Reuters article. They probably aren't organized/funded enough to hijack an aircraft, but I might be wrong.

    "One of our versions is that this was an attempt to seize weapons from local herders and hunters and commit acts of terror here and then return to their native country," said Gulmira Borubayeva, spokeswoman for the border guards.

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    We have sent our submarine rescue ship with a DSRV. I suspect it's going to be a long wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chanjyj View Post
    We have sent our submarine rescue ship with a DSRV. I suspect it's going to be a long wait.
    It took years to recover the Air France flight.

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    More on the stolen passport trade. For those unfamiliar with the region, Phuket is in far southern Thailand, just off the Malaysian coast. It is probably closer to KL than Bangkok.

    Investigations into the stolen passports of two passengers listed on missing Malaysia Airlines flight 370 have swung to the Thai resort island of Phuket, where there is a thriving stolen passport racket.

    Police in Malaysia have also viewed CCTV footage of the passengers on the flight, specifically looking for images of two men listed as Italian Luigi Maraldi and Austrian Christian Kozel.....

    On an earlier trip to Phuket in August last year Mr Maraldi had his passport stolen from a car rental agency.

    According to media reports quoting Austrian authorities Mr Kozel had his passport stolen in the same part of Phuket 18 months earlier.

    Both Mr Maraldi are Mr Kozel are reportedly men with average builds and both wear eye glasses.

    The Italian honorary consul in Phuket Francesco Pensato confirmed Mr Maraldi is in Phuket and Italian authorities are checking whether the man on the plane may have been a different man with the same name and date of birth. Malaysia Airlines’ code-share partner China Southern Airlines had sold seven tickets for flight 370, including those in the names of Maraldi and Kozel.

    Malaysian authorities are cautiously saying talk about the possibility of a terrorist attack bringing down the plane is pre-mature.

    “We are looking at all possibilities – it’s too early to reach any conclusions,” said Malaysia’s prime minister Najib Razak.

    But the curious thefts of the passports will be a focus of a team of FBI investigators who are flying from the United States to assist Malaysian and other international investigators.

    Malaysian authorities have not commented on the CCTV video of the passengers who boarded the early morning Saturday flight at Kuala Lumpur's international airport for the almost six hour flight to Beijing.

    CCTV footage of their luggage has also been scrutinised.

    “We cannot reveal any more for security reasons,” said Department of Civil Aviation official Azharuddin Abdul Rahman.

    Hundreds of passports are lost or stolen on Phuket each year, raising fears they could fall into the hands of criminal or terrorist networks.

    Honorary consuls representing countries there often deal with tourists who report their passports missing.

    Former Australian honorary consult Larry Cunningham, who retired from his Phuket posting last September, said during his time as consul passport thefts occurred regularly.

    “Some passports were certainly lost, falling out of pockets or being genuinely misplaced. But there were also substantial incidents of passports being stolen,” he said.

    Six Syrian men have been held at Phuket airport for months after travelling on fake Greek passports
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    Missing plane highlights Phuket's stolen passport trade


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    Here are some finer details on one of the stolen passports.

    The Italian whose stolen passport was used by a passenger on board flight MH370 has been tracked down by a newspaper in Phuket, Thailand.

    Luigi Maraldi, 37, says he lost it while on holiday "during a deal that went wrong at a motorcycle rent shop".

    It is believed he was asked to leave his passport as 'collateral' for renting a bike, but when he went to reclaim it the woman who ran the shop said she already given someone else claiming to be "Mr Maraldi's husband".

    He later had to get home to Italy on a temporary travel document.

    Missing Malaysia Airlines flight live: Passengers who boarded plane with stolen passports 'bought tickets together' - Mirror Online
    On the terrorist side, no group has come forward claiming credit for it. It is highly unlikely the Uyghur (considered a regional militant group, not a transnational terrorist group such as al Qaeda) have the capabilities from planning to the execution phase of the terrorist attack cycle to launch international operations of this calibre.

    Any terrorist cell would need to identify targets, do detailed surveillance of potential targets, do further surveillance of the chosen target, recruit personnel, plan operations, acquire or build any weapons, place personnel into key positions (which could take years), then execute it without anything going wrong or being detected. There are a lot of detection points of vulnerability, especially given tightened aviation security since 9/11. Moreover when you consider the limited capabilities of Uyghur modus opperanti in the past (for example exploiting soft targets as seen at Kunming Train Station recently, or low level bombings) it seems highly unlikely they could successfully perform an international commercial aviation hijacking outside of China at all.

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    Vietnamese search plane found another floating object which looks like airplane window's inner plate. Four ships are on the way to coordinate.

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    Lot of assets in the area at least. If it's there to be found, they'll get it.
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