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    US/Chinese warships avoid collision

    December 14, 2013

    The near-miss between a U.S. guided missile cruiser, USS Cowpens, and a Chinese warship operating near China's only aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, last week was the most significant U.S.-China maritime incident in the South China Sea since 2009, said security expert Carl Thayer at the Australian Defense Force Academy. "It is a gravely disturbing development," said Ian Storey, a regional security analyst at Singapore's Institute of South East Asian Studies. "If China continues to challenge the presence of foreign naval ships in the South China Sea, it is only a question of time before a serious and potentially deadly incident occurs."

    The U.S. Pacific Fleet said in a statement on Friday that the USS Cowpens, operating in international waters in the South China Sea, last week narrowly missed colliding with the Chinese warship. The Chinese ship maneuvered near the Cowpens in the incident on December 5 and the Cowpens took evasive action. "Eventually, effective bridge-to-bridge communications occurred between the U.S. and Chinese crews, and both vessels maneuvered to ensure safe passage," said the defense official. Asked if the Chinese vessel was moving towards the Cowpens with aggressive intent, a U.S. defense official declined to speculate. "Whether it is a tactical at-sea encounter, or strategic dialogue, sustained and reliable communication mitigates the risk of mishaps, which is in the interest of both the U.S. and China," the official said in an email to Reuters. The U.S. Navy said the Cowpens was conducting regular freedom-of-navigation operations when the incident occurred.
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    Hmm...

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    Hope this is just a mishap. Don't really need this sort of thing going on under current circumstances.

    Cue netizens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post
    Hope this is just a mishap.
    It appears quite deliberate. The chinese are fed up with American spying on their fleet. I think we can expect more of this. Some of the news are already suggesting this is a common occurence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winton View Post
    It appears quite deliberate. The chinese are fed up with American spying on their fleet. I think we can expect more of this. Some of the news are already suggesting this is a common occurence.
    ....so they play 'chicken' in international waters. Outstanding!

    Oh, and thanks for turning up on cue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post
    ....so they play 'chicken' in international waters. Outstanding!

    Oh, and thanks for turning up on cue.
    I think this was more a case of lost in translation. The americans apparently didn't understand what "get lost" in chinese was and simply had to be shown.

    However, I note that the US navy was calling it a routine freedom of navigation operation in lieu of actual spying. No doubt it was many months in the planning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winton View Post
    However, I note that the US navy was calling it a routine freedom of navigation operation in lieu of actual spying. No doubt it was many months in the planning.
    Collecting elint is legal and sop in international waters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winton View Post
    I think this was more a case of lost in translation. The americans apparently didn't understand what "get lost" in chinese was and simply had to be shown.

    However, I note that the US navy was calling it a routine freedom of navigation operation in lieu of actual spying. No doubt it was many months in the planning.
    Telling others to "get lost" in international waters...

    Lucky the USN didn't feel the need to do the "get lost" gesture then. It probably wouldn't have gone to well for the Chinese vessel.

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    Way I read it the Chinese ship headed off the Cowpens as it was steaming into the envelope of the Liaoning "CBG".

    Let's think for a moment what would happen if a Chinese vessel tried the same with a USN CBG...

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    Well, if you only had one obsolete former Soviet carrier you might be protective too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battleship IOWA View Post
    Well, if you only had one obsolete former Soviet carrier you might be protective too.
    Its a ship that carries planes and has a flat deck that lets them take off. Now the nimitz does exactly the same thing. How obsolete can it be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by winton View Post
    Its a ship that carries planes and has a flat deck that lets them take off. Now the nimitz does exactly the same thing. How obsolete can it be?
    Do you really want another thrashing?

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    Kato, good point. However this was normal and not newsworthy in the North Atlantic for decades.

    Winton are you implying the PLAN carrier which is half the size and carries half the airwing is equal to a Nimitz class? Careful, you fanboy is showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albany Rifles View Post
    Kato, good point. However this was normal and not newsworthy in the North Atlantic for decades.

    Winton are you implying the PLAN carrier which is half the size and carries half the airwing is equal to a Nimitz class? Careful, you fanboy is showing.
    You could have added 'built & operated by nations without experience of carrier warfare/wartime operations', but that would have been overkill.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Let's think for a moment what would happen if a Chinese vessel tried the same with a USN CBG...

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    Colonel, those were some professional seamen who know how the game was played. They're been doing it since they were midshipmen.

    I would like to hear Desert SWOs thoughts on this.
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