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    Canada is scrapping a plan to buy 18 Boeing Super Hornet fighter jets amid a deepening dispute with the U.S. aerospace company, three sources familiar with the matter said on Tuesday.

    Instead, the Liberal government will announce next week it intends to acquire a used fleet of older Australia F-18 jets, the same kind of plane Canada currently operates, said the sources, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the situation.
    http://nationalpost.com/news/politic...n-jets-sources

    While this makes more sense than an interim fleet of Super Hornet's, unless the RCAF is simply planning on using these planes for spares, it does not make a lot of sense to me. If we plan on flying them, I'm sure the RAAF will be retiring the most worn F/A-18A's first, and they will have to undergo modifications to bring them up to the same avionics package as the current CF-18s.

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    At this point, if Canada persists with not buying the F-35, and since it's now "at war" with Boeing, all that's left are Typhoons or Rafales, wether they like them or not.

    Or T-50s...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlvfr View Post
    At this point, if Canada persists with not buying the F-35, and since it's now "at war" with Boeing, all that's left are Typhoons or Rafales, wether they like them or not.

    Or T-50s...
    The Liberals have softened on the F-35 to the point where they've stated Lockheed will be allowed to enter the F-35 in the new fighter competition scheduled for 2019. I think the final decision on the new fighter will be far enough down the road from their 2015 election promises regarding not buying the F-35 that they will think it is politically viable. Which is in fact why I think they are buying used Hornets and delaying the competition and selection.

    This all assumes they will get re-elected in 2019, which I think is unfortunately a given at this time.

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    The French Canadians will insist on a buy of Rafales!

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    It looks like Boeing will have to settle for being a parts and service vendor for a decades old fleet of legacy Hornets.
    http://www.janes.com/article/76327/c...per-hornet-buy

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    It looks like Boeing will have to settle for being a parts and service vendor for a decades old fleet of legacy Hornets.
    http://www.janes.com/article/76327/c...per-hornet-buy
    This is Boeing's official statment on the issue: short and to the point. But I found something very interesting here:

    applauds the government’s (Canada) continued use of a two engine fighter solution
    So... is this oficial Canada policy again (or still...)? But the F-35 is a single engine... would this mean it's out of the competition? The weirdness increases...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlvfr View Post
    So... is this oficial Canada policy again (or still...)? But the F-35 is a single engine... would this mean it's out of the competition? The weirdness increases...
    Quite the opposite I believe.

    First up in the process is inviting interested bidders to sign up for what is essentially a list of interested suppliers by February 9, 2018.

    Firms that do not register by then will not be considered as the competition heads forward.

    Next, bids will be evaluated on a basis of cost, whether they meet Canada’s technical requirements, and what the economic benefits are of the proposal.

    As part of the latter, an assessment of whether the bidder is causing economic harm to Canada will be considered.

    Consultations will run through 2018 and 2019, with formal solicitation documents expected to be made available in spring 2019.

    A contract award is expected in 2022 and the government says it expects to have the first aircraft resulting from the award of the contract in its possession by 2025.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/3912118/f...ade-challenge/

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    So will Canada now reconsider the Super Hornet?
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-42825916

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    Can Boeing still appeal?

    Also, something tells me Boeing may be dropping out of Canada's list...

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfgun View Post
    So will Canada now reconsider the Super Hornet?
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-42825916
    Canada will not be buying interim Super Hornets, the deal for the Australian hornets is done and the first will arrive in 2019: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...apabil-444112/

    Quote Originally Posted by jlvfr View Post
    Can Boeing still appeal?

    Also, something tells me Boeing may be dropping out of Canada's list...
    From: http://247wallst.com/aerospace-defen...be-in-the-bag/

    Now that the ITC has ruled against Boeing, the company may file an appeal within 30 days with the Court of International Trade. Aerospace industry attorney William Perry told Leeham News that that court rarely overturns an ITC decision, so this appears to be a path to nowhere.

    For procedural reasons, Boeing cannot appeal to the World Trade Organization.
    https://www.thestar.com/business/201...-purchase.html

    Interesting that Boeing was a no-show for the information session, but I bet it was just a shot at the government who is now firmly backed into a corner for the upcoming fighter competition (after promising not to buy the F-35), but I'm very confident Boeing still makes a pitch for the Super Hornet.

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    Aaaand Boeing is back in the run... maybe?

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