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  • #16
    Let's not turn this tragedy into a bash
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    • #17
      Originally posted by cataphract View Post
      No, it's absolutely not. Israel is the Pakistan of the middle-east. A territory (not a nation) held together by religious exclusivism.
      Nonesense, Israeli or Jewish nation existed in the ancient world. This ended after the Jewish-Roman wars and the Romans ruled and then the Muslims and later the British. Who the hell even heard of Pakistan before 1946?

      A young life is lost in unfortunate circumstances...tragic. That is the price the world pays for the intolerance of a few.
      Last edited by lemontree; 14 Nov 13,, 09:50.

      Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by lemontree View Post
        Nonesense, Israeli or Jewish nation existed in the ancient world. This ended after the Jewish-Roman wars and the Romans ruled and then the Muslims and later the British. Who the hell even heard of Pakistan before 1946?

        A young life is lost in unfortunate circumstances...tragic. That is the price the world pays for the intolerance of a few.
        2000 year old history cannot be an excuse to carve territory out of thin air. The fact remains that Pakistan and Israel are the only two countries created in the 20th century for purely religious reasons.

        I don't want to derail this thread further, the murder was obviously very tragic. I just don't like right-wing fundies in India looking to Israel for inspiration.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by bigross86 View Post
          There is no official discrimination, and they can earn the same benefits by volunteering to serve in the IDF, or by performing national service, which they choose not to do.
          If they have to do something Jews get for free its discrimination



          And this was most definitely terror, the kid even said he murdered the soldier because his uncles were sitting in an Israeli jail. That is not family honor, that is nationalistic in nature, and that makes it terror.

          His uncles are in prison.... That is not religion or nationalism its family/tribe. Not terror, murder. By your loose definitions is equally applies there are a shit ton of juvenile Jewish terrorists in the territories.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by zraver View Post
            If they have to do something Jews get for free its discrimination
            Jews don't get those for free. They serve the IDF.

            Very modern concept, something Ottoman did in the past with non-Muslims.
            No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

            To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Doktor View Post
              Jews don't get those for free. They serve the IDF.

              Very modern concept, something Ottoman did in the past with non-Muslims.
              The person a Jew decides to marry does not have to prove loyalty to Israel, Jews can immigrate to Israel, make use of the Jewish national trust, gets far more government revenue spent on them per capita, get IDF protection as they attack Palestinians and take their land and avoid prosecution for crimes including murder and if they are ultra orthodox do not have to serve in the IDF.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by dave lukins View Post
                That would mean letting your potential threat walk past you twice...getting on and off the bus...thus giving them two chances of attack.
                Maybe we should have a "two compartment" solution for the buses.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by bigross86 View Post
                  I'll tell you very simply why: Because the world DOES care, only about the Palestinians. Look at the link I posted above, at major British news sources. Scant mention of a murdered Israeli soldier, or mention of the incident flanked by anti-Israeli rhetoric.
                  Well, fuck the Brits as I always say. Come to NYC where anti-Arab/Islam ads are printed everywhere on the buses. NYC cares about Israel.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by cdude View Post
                    Well, fuck the Brits as I always say. Come to NYC where anti-Arab/Islam ads are printed everywhere on the buses. NYC cares about Israel.
                    Considering there are 1.5 millions Jews in NYC...
                    Those who know don't speak
                    He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by cdude View Post
                      Well, fuck the Brits as I always say. Come to NYC where anti-Arab/Islam ads are printed everywhere on the buses. NYC cares about Israel.


                      I would love to see some photos.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Pedicabby View Post
                        I would love to see some photos.
                        Anti-Muslim Ads Go Up In New York City Subways, Again (PHOTO)

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                          Btw, welcome to the joint. Israel is now the India of the middle-east.
                          I hate to say this. But that is a dumbass analogy.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by astralis View Post
                            ....either accept and work with the world, in full knowledge that Israel's eight million people gives her a limited voice; alternatively, close out the rest of the world...knowing that Israel only has eight million people as her bulwark.

                            playing things by halves won't work.
                            Either of the options will not give Israel the peace and security that the world so foolishly promises them. Even if they 'work with the world', to think that Hezballah, Hamas, the Ayatollah, Egyptian populace, will suddenly fall in love with Israel is very naive. The same world (UNIFIL) has a terrorist organisation (Hezballah) arming right under their nose, they know it and they do absolutely nothing. And when that known terrorist organisation (Hezbollah/Hamas) finally decides to attack Israel no NATO is going to move in to squash the terrorist like they did on 9/11. Except for the US, pretty much the so called 'world' will be watching on their tele waiting to accuse Israel for using excessive force. So there is nothing new there, Israel will still pretty much be alone to bury their own. So i think S2's third option is probably the best......just muddle along.

                            Ben,
                            Before you start accusing the world, why don't you reinstate the death penalty for your own selves? You yourselves find it difficult to make these necessary difficult decisions, why should you expect the international community to do better? As it has been pointed out already, the world is a far too messy a place to be doing all the shouting for you.

                            RIP to the young serviceman, im sure his parents must be proud of him, and so should the nation.
                            Last edited by Zinja; 14 Nov 13,, 21:04.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by zraver View Post
                              The person a Jew decides to marry does not have to prove loyalty to Israel, Jews can immigrate to Israel, make use of the Jewish national trust, gets far more government revenue spent on them per capita, get IDF protection as they attack Palestinians and take their land and avoid prosecution for crimes including murder and if they are ultra orthodox do not have to serve in the IDF.
                              Can you just cut it Zraver! Can you just stop making excuses for a heinous crime! Do you kill the next soldier in Kansas when your uncle in incarcerated? You are making yourself no different from people who justify 9/11.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by cdude View Post
                                Maybe we should have a "two compartment" solution for the buses.
                                Apartheid.

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