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    Yasser Arafat 'may have been poisoned with polonium'
    6 November 2013

    The late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat may have been poisoned with radioactive polonium, says a Swiss forensic report obtained by al-Jazeera. Arafat's official medical records say he died in 2004 from a stroke resulting from a blood disorder. But his body was exhumed last year amid continuing claims he was murdered. The Swiss report said tests on the body showed "unexpected high activity" of polonium, which "moderately" supported the poisoning theory.

    The scientists - from the Vaudois University Hospital Centre (CHUV) in Lausanne, Switzerland - carried out a detailed examination of Arafat's medical records, samples taken from his remains and items he had taken into the hospital in Paris where he died in 2004. The biological materials included pieces of Mr Arafat's bones and soil samples from around his corpse. The scientists concluded that their results "moderately support the proposition that the death was the consequence of poisoning with polonium-210". The scientists stressed that they had been unable to reach a more definitive conclusion because of the time that had lapsed since Arafat's death, the limited samples available and the confused "chain of custody" of some of the specimens.

    The scientists have made "a pretty strong statement", according to Prof Paddy Regan, an expert in radiation detection and measurement at the University of Surrey in the UK, who was not involved in the investigation. "They are saying the hypothesis that Arafat was poisoned with polonium-210 is valid and has not been disproven by the data. However they cannot say definitively that he was murdered." Prof Regan says a series of assumptions would have been made in order to ascertain how much Po-210 may or may not have been in Mr Arafat's body at the time of his death. Po-210 has a short half-life of about 138 days. Prof Regan said measuring the tiny fraction left and extrapolating it back to the time of Arafat's death was like a blind man holding the tail of an elephant and using the information to work out the size of the animal.

    Yigal Palmor of Israel's foreign ministry told the BBC: "This is more soap opera than science." He said the investigations had been commissioned by "interested parties" - Mr Arafat's widow and the Palestinian Authority - and had "never bothered" to look for some key data. "The other huge hole in the theory is the absence of all access to the French hospital where Arafat died and to Arafat's medical files," said Mr Palmor. "How can the cause of death be determined without the opinion of the doctors or the results of the medical tests they ran on the patient?

    Parallel investigations are being carried out by French and Russian experts - one Russian official said last month that no traces of polonium had been found. Last month, the head of the Russian Federal Medico-Biological Agency, Vladimir Uiba, was quoted by the Interfax news agency as saying that Arafat "could not have been poisoned with polonium", saying that tests carried out by Russian experts "found no traces of this substance". However, the agency later denied that Mr Uiba had made any official statement on the findings.
    Source: BBC

    Pretty much how I calculated this would pan out. Too many generations of sample decay (~13) had already occurred to formulate a definitive conclusion.
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  • #2
    Yep, hope those that banked on this one got what they wanted.

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    • #3
      Perhaps but there has been very few people killed with Polunium. And the last occurance of that has the Russians written all over it. They may not be able to prove it but it still lingers in the mind of the last freak occurance of this type of poisoning.
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      • #4
        PA did not have a response to Arafat's death, a controversy was what they needed to buy more time. They're up against Hamas.

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        • #5
          Evidence does not prove Arafat poisoning: Russian report
          Nov 8, 2013

          A Russian report quoted by Palestinian investigators on Friday said there was insufficient evidence to support the theory that Yasser Arafat died in 2004 by polonium poisoning. "The outcome of the comprehensive report on the levels of Polonium-210 and the development of his illness does not give sufficient evidence to support the decision that Polonium-210 caused acute radiation syndrome leading to death," said Dr. Abdullah Bashir, quoting the conclusions of the Russian report. The Russian findings were significantly more cautious than Swiss conclusions which said that its tests "moderately support the proposition that the death was the consequence of poisoning with Polonium-210", though the evidence was not conclusive. “We consider Israel the first, fundamental and only suspect in Yasser Arafat’s assassination,” says the head of the Palestinian’s Arafat death investigation Tawfiq Tirawi. The Russian report however states there is insufficient proof to support a claim of poisoning. Arafat's widow, not mentioning Israel at all, explicitly accused members of his "close circle" in a Reuters interview.
          Source: Reuters

          The Russians (no ally of Israel and quite familiar with the effects of polonium) say it's time to move on.
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          • #6
            Aye those nasty Jews n Frogs huh :whome:

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            • #7
              French experts rule out Arafat poisoning
              December 3, 2013

              French investigators have concluded in a report that Yasser Arafat died of natural causes and ruled out the possibility that he was poisoned, a source told Al Jazeera. "The analysis cannot lead us to affirm that Arafat died of polonium-210 poisoning," reads the report, according to the source, who has seen it. The report comes to the same conclusion the French reached in 2004, that Arafat died of a brain hemorrhage and an intestinal infection. According to the forensic report presented in Paris to Suha Arafat, the widow of the Palestinian leader, and her lawyer, Saad Djabbar, French investigators found traces of the radioactive element polonium-210 but concluded that Yasser Arafat died of natural causes.
              Source: Al Jazeera

              Radiation poisoning? The Swiss have said their analysis is inconclusive. The Russians state it doesn't seem to be. The French flat out have said no.
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              • #8
                Arafat Died of Natural Causes – Russian Expert
                26/12/2013

                Scientific tests showed Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat died of natural causes and not radioactive poisoning, and there is no need to examine his remains again, a Russian expert said on Thursday. “The tests were comprehensive and there’s no need for re-examination. This person died of natural causes, not because of radioactive poisoning,” the head of Russia’s Federal Biomedical Agency, Vladimir Uiba, told reporters.
                Source: RIA Novosti
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                • #9
                  The silence is well nigh deafening....
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                  • #10
                    That's because there was nothing to hear.

                    I did hear a lengthy report a coupe of days ago on NPR about this story.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                      That's because there was nothing to hear.
                      Nothing the PA wanted to hear...

                      PA Says it Will Continue to Investigate Arafat's Death
                      12/27/2013

                      The Palestinian Authority (PA) said Thursday it would continue its investigation into the death of its former chairman Yasser Arafat, even after a team of Russian forensic experts said that he died of "natural causes", and ruled out radiation poisoning as a cause of death. "I can only say that there is already a decision to continue (the investigation)," the PA ambassador to Russia, Faed Mustafa, told the Russian news agency RIA Novosti. "We respect [the experts’] position, we highly value their work but there is a decision to continue work," he declared. "We need a result, a final and concrete result to take the issue off the table." Earlier, the head of Russia's Federal Medical-Biological Agency (FMBA) Vladimir Uiba said that Arafat “died a natural death and not from radiation.”
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                      The PA has concrete results. But they don't like the results and will continue to beat the bushes for that elusive Israeli boogeyman.
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                      • #12
                        Here's a hint for them. If you want conclusive autopsy results don't insist on an immediate burial in line with religious norms, and then change your mind several months? later, have the corpse exhumed and expect that forensic pathologists will be able to magically produce conclusive results.
                        If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Monash View Post
                          Here's a hint for them. If you want conclusive autopsy results don't insist on an immediate burial in line with religious norms, and then change your mind several months? later, have the corpse exhumed and expect that forensic pathologists will be able to magically produce conclusive results.
                          You don't watch CSI, do you? They can retract DNA from the air and take fingerprints from the water. It's all them Jews and their puppets behind this.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                            You don't watch CSI, do you? They can retract DNA from the air and take fingerprints from the water. It's all them Jews and their puppets behind this.
                            Me bad, I obviously don't stay up-to-date with the latest advances in forensic science, despite my profession.
                            If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                            • #15
                              Bad Monash. Bad.
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