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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    No longer true with the Iowa and Wisconsin. Congress dropped the "in reserve/emergency call up" requirement almost 10 years ago.
    This was from Rusty's "mouth" like a month ago. He said it was part of the donation clause. I'll have to find the post later.

    O and you could use a ferry :D. Crane idea seems better though lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    I don't know if it was intentional or not, but you conveniently left this part out when you quoted the other sections.

    " Ship Donation Contracts
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    46 of 47 ship museum donation contracts allow Navy to terminate in
    the event of a national emergency and retake title/ownership.

    Extremely unlikely Navy would ever exercise this option.
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    47 of 47 ship museum donation contracts allow Navy to terminate if
    the Donee fails to perform its obligations under the contract.

    Highly unlikely Navy would ever exercise this option. Rather, Navy would
    work with the Donee regarding the Donee’s responsibility to dispose or
    transfer the vessel.
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    18 of 47 ship museum donation contracts allow Navy to terminate if
    the vessel becomes a hazard to navigation or public health & safety.

    Highly unlikely Navy would ever exercise this option. Rather, Navy would
    work with the Donee regarding the Donee’s responsibility to dispose or
    transfer the vessel. "

    So basically the Navy still retains the right take a museum vessel back in a National emergency for re-activation, even though it's extremely unlikely. Also note that even though the title and custody of the vessel is transferred, the Navy still "calls the shots" in regards to almost all decisions or changes regarding the donated vessel. In effect the vessel is still under U.S Navy guardianship and retains final say.

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    Thats why I included the link for the whole slide show.

    There are lots of things I left out. No Shit. its a 20 slide presentation.

    The Navy can take back all but the Texas in case of National Emergency.

    Never going to happen. Not slim chance. No Chance.
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    Imagine the Olympia refitted for emergency use .
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonBelt View Post
    The Cape Fear Bridge center section is on tracks. Not the North Carolina's. But you knew that.
    Du-oh!

    I read "bridge", and we were talking about ships, so I just assumed we were talking about the North Carolina's bridge!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom24 View Post
    So basically the Navy still retains the right take a museum vessel back in a National emergency for re-activation, even though it's extremely unlikely. Also note that even though the title and custody of the vessel is transferred, the Navy still "calls the shots" in regards to almost all decisions or changes regarding the donated vessel. In effect the vessel is still under U.S Navy guardianship and retains final say.
    Which also illustrates how screwed up the whole system is! (or most of)
    Look at the few exceptions to that, ie: USS Slater (OK, I'm biased) or LST325!
    Both ships belong to the vets that saved them and restored them! The Navy has no say!
    One is in better shape, more completely restored and more functional than the rest!(guess)
    The other is real close, but also "haze gray and underway" (the other one)
    The former will be sailing again soon if the vets have their way! (try and stop them)
    Another irony is it seems the active Navy has more use of one of them than any other! (good guess)
    Funny thing is these ships could be activated real cheap and serving quite quickly in the event of an "unimaginable" national emergency! So, who has it right??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom24 View Post
    I don't know if it was intentional or not, but you conveniently left this part out when you quoted the other sections.
    So basically the Navy still retains the right take a museum vessel back in a National emergency for re-activation, even though it's extremely unlikely. Also note that even though the title and custody of the vessel is transferred, the Navy still "calls the shots" in regards to almost all decisions or changes regarding the donated vessel. In effect the vessel is still under U.S Navy guardianship and retains final say.
    As far as Iowa's contract with the Navy:

    4. Historic Preservation

    (b) Prohibition. No construction, alteration, modification or any other action shall be undertaken or permitted to be undertaken on the Vessel without the prior consultation with the California State Historic preservation Officer (SHPO). The Donee shall afford the SHPO thirty days to review the comments on the Donee's proposed plans. If the California SHPO fails to respond within thirty days, the Donee may proceed with the undertaking...... The Donee shall provide the Navy with a contemporaneous information copy of all Donee written communication with the SHPO made as part of the historic preservation consultation process described in Article 4.
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    Gun Grape wrote: "There are lots of things I left out. No Shit. its a 20 slide presentation. The Navy can take back all but the Texas in case of National Emergency."

    Well now, seems I may have been closer to being correct on this (Museum Ship Donation Regs) than originally thought. I'm also guilty of not reading thru the entire set of slides. Thanks, Tom for pointing this out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbvet View Post
    Gun Grape wrote: "There are lots of things I left out. No Shit. its a 20 slide presentation. The Navy can take back all but the Texas in case of National Emergency."
    Probably because the Texas was the first and was pretty thoroughly demilitarized. They stripped the ship of everything, even going so far as to replace the 40mm with 1.1" mounts as well as removing all the directors and any other usable equipment. Even cut her prop shaft and struts were cut off and blanked off. The Texas would serve no purpose, even in a SHtF scenario. Add to that the long standing neglect damage to the ship, I wouldn't want to even attempt to fire one of the turrets for real...

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    And then the 1980's came along and the monsters rose again from pier 4 here in Philly and served another 10 years.

    The so called "experts" never saw that coming either. Consequently, it silenced them. Never say Never.
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