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    Hundreds arrested in Moscow anti-migrant riots


    Riot police escort a man detained during mass rioting in Moscow. (Vasily Maximov, AFP/Getty Images)

    MOSCOW — Over 20 people including 6 policemen were injured in ethnic riots in a southern Moscow suburb that began Sunday and continued overnight, authorities said. Thousands of young people took to the streets in the southern Moscow suburb of Biryulyovo Sunday demanding the eviction of migrant workers from the Northern Caucuses and outside Russia. The protests came in the wake of the killing last week of a 25-year-old local resident, Yegor Shcherbakov, reportedly by an attacker with an appearance of Caucasus or Central Asian origin. The angery Moscow mob upturned cars, broke windows in street kiosks and attempted to break into a local market run by migrants. The protesters chanted "Russia for Russians, Moscow for Muscovites" and threw stones at riot police who arrived on the scene.

    Shcherbakov was stabbed with a knife Thursday and died a short time later near his home after reportedly trying to protect his girlfriend from an attacker of "non-Russian" appearance. “This non-Russian man took out a knife and stabbed him in the heart,” Shcherbakov's girlfriend, whose name was not disclosed, said in an interview on NTV, a television network. "We called the ambulance, but we couldn't save him, and he died on my knees." The alleged attacker's face was caught by a camera over the entrance of Scherbakov's residential house. Police were conducting an investigation and searching for the attacker. Early Monday police raided a vegetable market protesters had tried to storm overnight, detaining about 1,200 workers and traders, RIA Novosti reported.
    Source: LA Times

    Northern Caucuses is usually code for Chechen. Russians have a very dim view of Chechen migrants ever since Beslan.
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    What I don't get with these 'special people' who want everyone out is... why they clash with the Police?

    They are so eager to be beaten?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Doktor View Post
      What I don't get with these 'special people' who want everyone out is... why they clash with the Police?

      They are so eager to be beaten?
      They're the subspecies of cretins that think the police are controlled by the Zionist-Muslim Brotherhood conspiracy.

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      • #4
        In Tsarist times, the Motherland was 'Greater Russia', Ukraine was 'Little Russia' and Belarus was 'White Russia. It is very much the same today and all three peoples are considered ethnic cousins. But there is a difference between ethnicity and citizenship. You may be a citizen of Russia/Ukraine/Belarus all your life and have countless generations of ancestors on the soil - but ethnically you are still a Tatar, a Jew, a Pole, a Chechen, etc. The xenophobia is quite strong. For example, I am White Russian/Jewish and grew up in Ukraine. I am blue-eyed, speak Russian, and I am indistinguishable from an ethnic Russian and will be treated as such. Things would change however if say I wore a large Star of David dangle earring. Then I would be viewed as ethnically Jewish rather than Russian. An ethnic interloper.

        It's weird, but that's how it is.
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        • #5
          BBC correspondent Steve Rosenberg in Moscow

          These figures are astonishing: more than 1,200 migrant workers detained at a wholesale vegetable market. It shows how worried the Russian authorities are by Sunday's explosion of anger on the streets of Moscow; the police clearly want to convince Muscovites they take the grievances of local residents seriously and will crack down hard on illegal migrant workers. Hence Monday's powerful images on Russian TV of detainees lined up against a fence with their hands tied behind their backs. But dramatic police raids will do little to ease the tension that is growing in parts of the Russian capital between ethnic Russians, and people from the Caucasus region and some former Soviet republics.
          Source: BBC

          Someday the shyt is really gonna hit the fan.
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          • #6
            Are things really that bad in the other parts of Russia that these migrants risks life and limb just to get work?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
              Are things really that bad in the other parts of Russia that these migrants risks life and limb just to get work?
              Unemployment and violence are very high in some North Caucus regions (Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia). Those that can leave and seek better opportunity in Russia proper. Most are Muslim and are not well versed in Russian/Christian culture. The frictions in Moscow are similar to the ethnic/religious frictions found in London, Paris, and Milan. The Russians however, have far less tolerance than their European counterparts. In days past, they simply moved entire ethnic populations to far-flung remote areas of the empire.
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              • #8
                Surely Chechnya and Dagestan are more of a drain on Russian resources and stability than any gain Russia (and Russians as a people) may derive from controlling these two regions, right? Unless i am missing something and these two regions offer anything more than some notion of a geographical strategic 'advantage' alongside the Caspian sea (which i think is somewhat dubious anyway).

                Since the two populations are so hostile to each other wouldnt it make sense for Russia to just part ways with Chechnya and Dagestan? Why continue to control them when integration and harmonization clearly is just never going to work? Russians are not safe in those places, and vice versa. What benefit is there to maintain this union?

                Or am i mistaken?

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                • #9
                  Domino effect. If you let go of Chechnya and Dagestan so will other areas of Russia follow. For instance, the far flung areas of Russia will want to secede from Moscow.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
                    Northern Caucuses is usually code for Chechen. Russians have a very dim view of Chechen migrants ever since Beslan.
                    Chechens have a dim view of Russians since they were deported wholesale, virtually wiped out, had a fifth of the remaining population killed to oppose & end independence & had a thugocracy installed by Moscow. I am darkly amused by the spectacle of a nation prepared to wreak such devastation to keep a people as part of their nation yet unprepared to treat them as equals.

                    I'm pretty sure the issue pre-dates Beslan by longer than anyone on this board has been alive.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                      Domino effect. If you let go of Chechnya and Dagestan so will other areas of Russia follow. For instance, the far flung areas of Russia will want to secede from Moscow.
                      The Domino Effect is a fair analysis, and there are other reasons for the ethnic strife. Beginning in 1992, the population of ethnic Russians began to plummet. Death rates far exceeded birth rates due to various factors such as war, alcoholism, drug abuse, a poor health system, and abortions. This alarming trend was also exacerbated when Gorbachev allowed 1,000,000+ Russian Jews to emigrate to Israel. By 2006 the population decline was so alarming that immigrants from the various republics were offered incentives to move to Russia proper to supplant the dwindling ethnic Russian workforce. Vladimir Putin and the Russian Orthodox church began initiatives to remedy the population problem which have proven successful. The birth rate among ethnic Russians is increasing and the death rate/abortions is decreasing. 2012 saw a modest increase in the ethnic Russian population and this positive trend is expected to bloom exponentially. The Muslim immigrants (unwanted by the Christian ethnic Russians) are now viewed as a superfluous-criminal-element sympathetic to insurrection and the demand is growing to send them packing.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                        Chechens have a dim view of Russians since they were deported wholesale, virtually wiped out, had a fifth of the remaining population killed to oppose & end independence & had a thugocracy installed by Moscow. I am darkly amused by the spectacle of a nation prepared to wreak such devastation to keep a people as part of their nation yet unprepared to treat them as equals. I'm pretty sure the issue pre-dates Beslan by longer than anyone on this board has been alive.
                        It goes all the way back to the Empire. The Chechnya wars of independence and Beslan merely signify the modern tipping points. As I've said, ethnic Russians are quite xenophobic.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
                          It goes all the way back to the Empire. The Chechnya wars of independence and Beslan merely signify the modern tipping points. As I've said, ethnic Russians are quite xenophobic.
                          Xenophobia is a luxury that societies with birth rates below replacement can't afford (pretty much the entire western world & a few in Asia). Couple that with a variety of nationalism with a distinctly imperialistic streak and you have a recipe for ongoing instability. Russia seems to have a talent for making rods for its own back.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                            Chechens have a dim view of Russians since they were deported wholesale, virtually wiped out, had a fifth of the remaining population killed to oppose & end independence & had a thugocracy installed by Moscow. I am darkly amused by the spectacle of a nation prepared to wreak such devastation to keep a people as part of their nation yet unprepared to treat them as equals.

                            I'm pretty sure the issue pre-dates Beslan by longer than anyone on this board has been alive.


                            Actually a Georgian guy deported them, a Ruskie returned them.
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                            To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                            • #15
                              There is a xenophobic pecking order. Ukrainians and Belorussians are considered kin. The Baltic peoples and the Finns are close relatives. Everyone else is decidedly foreign.
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