Afghanistan, US, China, India and Pakistan - A Genuine Interview

[Officer of Engineers]

OOE,

Do you think the Soviets would get through NATO?

I don't know. 4 Brigade was going to die either way.

[Deltacamelately]

....the Chinese have a choice of not letting the 45 divisions facing them going West ... or risk 187 divsions coming East after the Soviets get through with NATO.

Sir,

Imo, that would be a congestion kill ..... for the Soviets.

[Officer of Engineers]

Sir,

Imo, that would be a congestion kill ..... for the Soviets.

Major,

The Soviets would not need 187 divisions. They did it before with 82 divisions against the IJA and the PLA was not that much better than the IJA in the 1970s.

[Mihais]

Sir,that raises the question why the Soviets did not went after the Chinese ?Nixon may have said no,but he was not going to lob nukes at the behest of the red Chinese?

[Blademaster]

Major,

The Soviets would not need 187 divisions. They did it before with 82 divisions against the IJA and the PLA was not that much better than the IJA in the 1970s.

Then how did PLA drive the Americans south in the Korean War? The American army were just as good as the Soviet army.

[Officer of Engineers]

Sir,that raises the question why the Soviets did not went after the Chinese ?Nixon may have said no,but he was not going to lob nukes at the behest of the red Chinese?

Nixon did more than that. He hinted that he would provide aide to the Chinese, making a short war long ... and tilting the balance in Europe.

Then how did PLA drive the Americans south in the Korean War? The American army were just as good as the Soviet army.

MacArthur.

[Blademaster]

MacArthur.

MacArthur was removed and yet the Americans were not able to drive the Chinese back. Why?

[Officer of Engineers]

They did. The Americans retook Seoul from the Chinese and drove them back across the 38th. Once there, Ridgway did not overstep his authority to try and retake North Korea.

Also, I would like to clarify that this was the late 1960s, early 1970s. The GPCR had taken a toll on PLA professionalism. The Army that did the 1962 Sino-Indo War was purged out of existence. In its place is an army where the only way you can tell the difference between non-commissioned and officers is the number of pockets. NCMs have two and Officers have 4 supposedly to carry the little red book instead of grenades.

The result was the 1979 1st Sino-VN War.

[Blademaster]

They did. The Americans retook Seoul from the Chinese and drove them back across the 38th. Once there, Ridgway did not overstep his authority to try and retake North Korea.

Sorry I was thinking of retaking North Korea.

[Officer of Engineers]

MacArthur overstepped his authority when he attacked North Korea but battle momentum was in his favour. So, no one said anything. However, he ignored the Chinese intervention until it was way too late. Ridgway was not going to repeat that mistake.

[anil]

Pakistan's former ambassador to the US Husain Haqqani writes in his book “Magnificent Delusions” about a secret handwritten letter from obama to zardari offering US intervention in kashmir.

'Obama offered to push India on Kashmir for Pak' - Hindustan Times

In his book, spread over 300 pages, Haqqani writes that in November 2009, Jones travelled to Islamabad to hand deliver a letter written by Obama to Zardari.

Dated November 11, 2009, through the letter Obama offered Pakistan to become America's "long-term strategic" partner.

“The letter even hinted at addressing Pakistan's oft-stated desire for a settlement of the Kashmir dispute," he writes.

in return for ending support to groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba and Taliban

Islamabad rejected the offer

[ambidex]

Pakistan's former ambassador to the US Husain Haqqani writes in his book “Magnificent Delusions” about a secret handwritten letter from obama to zardari offering US intervention in kashmir.

'Obama offered to push India on Kashmir for Pak' - Hindustan Times


in return for ending support to groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba and Taliban

Islamabad rejected the offer

Pakistan cries for third party mediation on Kashmir and for Kashmiris day and night. But when it came with condition of ending terrorist organizations, they refused it. I hope Kashmiris are reading it.

BTW, India will never accept TPM.

[anil]

Do you remember president pranab mukherjees outburst just after 2008 mumbai attacks when CWC agreed to wage a war with pakistan?

[Dreadnought]

IMO, I dont think that Obama would have helped fight that war. He may have offered to help conduct negociations to end the conflict but I doubt either fuel it by providing arms or helping fight it. The opposite side to that is that Russia could have helped India. In either case it would have made the conflict even worse for all concerned.

[antimony]

IMO, I dont think that Obama would have helped fight that war. He may have offered to help conduct negociations to end the conflict but I doubt either fuel it by providing arms or helping fight it. The opposite side to that is that Russia could have helped India. In either case it would have made the conflict even worse for all concerned.

I would agree, Pakistan probably wanted some more concrete support, including full backing for Pakistan's position in international forums, than what Obama was ready to give