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  • #76
    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Nothing about research or testing of nukes. A nice little loop hole
    So what? Iran doesn't have the monopoly on loopholes. The world including India, USSR, US, Israel, do it all the time.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
      So what? Iran doesn't have the monopoly on loopholes. The world including India, USSR, US, Israel, do it all the time.
      The NPT allows no such loopholes.

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      • #78
        Really?

        Grandfather clauses or clauses allowing dual use technology sales to Israel even though she is not a signatory to NPT.

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        • #79
          There are no dual usage technology sold to Israel. And India survived on grandfather clauses before 123.

          However, those loopholes as you pointed out were purposely built in. Otherwise, we would have meltdowns in India.

          There is no such excuse for Iran. She signed on the dotted line and reaffirm after the Revolution.
          Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 01 Oct 13,, 17:22.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            Nothing about research or testing of nukes. A nice little loop hole
            Well technically, you'd have to "possess" a nuke before testing it. And ultimately everything else is useless if you cannot possess and stockpile.

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            • #81
              TRINITY and SMILING BUDDHA were officially not weapons. And Iran already performed a zero yield test.
              Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 01 Oct 13,, 19:52.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by 1980s View Post
                That whole 'taqiyya' thing is blown-out of proportion and spun by people who arent Shi'as and know nothing about that branch of Islam. Taqiyya is a concept where it is permissible for Shi'as to deny their faith when faced by persecution, thats it. It isnt a tactic for 'expediently lying' to ones enemies, thats just total BS. It is merely considered to be a legitimate method for an individual to protect ones life and property by concealing ones faith in situations where revealing it would result in harm or murder.
                It is a concept that was valid when Shia communities were under Sunni majorities and rulers who persecuted and many times killed the Shias because of their faith, that concept is out dated and its shelf life long expired which shouldn't have any foothold in 21st century. But it is the mullas themselves who have been and are exploiting the concept and still clinging to the idea for their own material and power gain.

                How do you think Khomeini himself justified all those lies and false promises he gave the nation before consolidating the power? As you know very well majority of mullas are accomplished liars and masters in deceit and fallacy that is how they were able to survive for so many centuries without spending a minute in work place, while living in wealth and often powerful.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
                  You will have to forgive me but I do not trust a man that sent children into the minefields during the Iran/Iraq war to clear them under the guise of "keys to heaven" around their neck if one of those mines went off and killed them. He did this to protect the Iranian armor. No matter what I still consider him to be evil and a slight of hand artist.
                  Dread,
                  I lived good part of my life in that society and I know mullas very well. The biggest regret Iranians have nowadays that "How could the whole nation fall for what a mulla promised?" when they knew this bunch very well.

                  He was not just evil, he was a mass murderer. Just put this phrase in your search window "Summer of 1988 Iran". The magnitude of horror is mind bugling.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                    Nothing about research or testing of nukes. A nice little loop hole
                    Colonel,

                    I can assure you that even Iranians themselves don't fall for this BS fatwa or what ever this man says and their often and valid question is "How come nuclear weapon was not against Islam before 2003 when your clandestine activities were discovered by outside players?". Why do you think this man never had any interview with any domestic or foreign journalist ever since he took over in 1988? and I don't believe he ever will until he get planted. His fear has been and is that among many other that question will definitely come up and he will be cornered.

                    Also many Iranian know that according to Shia jurisprudence the supreme leader does not possess the authority to issue any fatwa. He is still 2 levels below the required status. So what ever he says can be considered as hot air. :D

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Aryajet View Post
                      Also many Iranian know that according to Shia jurisprudence the supreme leader does not possess the authority to issue any fatwa. He is still 2 levels below the required status. So what ever he says can be considered as hot air. :D
                      So who can issue a fatwa?

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                        So who can issue a fatwa?
                        Only a Grand Ayatollah, like Sistani or Khomeini.

                        Here is how it works. As a Shiia you pick one of the (few) Grand Ayatollah as your "source of emulation" (Marja Taghlid in Persian) then you follow his teaching and guidance every thing related to jurisprudence. If this Marja issues a fatwa then you accept and follow it. But followers of other grand ayatollahs don't have to do so.

                        Also it is not against the faith's doctrine to switch to another Marja and/or follow a diseased as long as his written Dissertation is still available.

                        One rank lower than that is Ayatollah (without grand) and one step below that is Hojjat ol Islam+ that is where khamanei stands.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Aryajet View Post
                          Only a Grand Ayatollah, like Sistani or Khomeini.

                          Here is how it works. As a Shiia you pick one of the (few) Grand Ayatollah as your "source of emulation" (Marja Taghlid in Persian) then you follow his teaching and guidance every thing related to jurisprudence. If this Marja issues a fatwa then you accept and follow it. But followers of other grand ayatollahs don't have to do so.

                          Also it is not against the faith's doctrine to switch to another Marja and/or follow a diseased as long as his written Dissertation is still available.

                          One rank lower than that is Ayatollah (without grand) and one step below that is Hojjat ol Islam+ that is where khamanei stands.
                          I thought Khamanei was a Grand Ayatollah. Otherwise how could he be the supreme leader?

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
                            I thought Khamanei was a Grand Ayatollah. Otherwise how could he be the supreme leader?
                            Hussein-Ali Montazeri was supposed to be the supreme leader. But he didn't agreed with Khomeini on human rights so Khomeini conveniently changed the constitution itself.

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                            • #89
                              View of Iran from an Iranian....

                              JERUSALEM — On most days, Emanuel Shfaim, 45, works from morning til night at his dry cleaning business, often joined by his wife, Nava.

                              They are well known in the neighborhood, Jerusalem's German Colony, for the excellence and variety of their services. Need a sheepskin ottoman cleaned after an unfortunate collision with a glass of red wine? Shfaim will find a way to make the stain disappear.

                              In his small storefront shop, the whir of washing machines competes with the omnipresent sound of the radio. On Friday, ahead of this week's negotiations in Geneva between the West and Iran, a news bulletin announced Iran's "red line": the country will refuse to send any nuclear material outside its borders.

                              Shfaim shrugged as he handed a customer his pressed shirts.

                              "There's nothing new there," he muttered, his sing-song Persian inflection giving the Hebrew a cheery cadence. Shfaim said he avoids watching Iranian news channels because "it is too infuriating. All lies."

                              Shfaim is one of about 50,000 Iranians living in Israel, most of whom left Iran after the Islamic Revolution in 1979.

                              Many in the Iranian diaspora thought this moment would never come: after more than thirty years, a diplomatic window between the West and the pariah state is "cracking open," in the words of US Secretary of State John Kerry.

                              Iran's nuclear project is the main obstacle to relations between the West and Iran, and is the cause of severe economic sanctions that have crippled Iran's economy and disconnected it from the international banking system. Iran maintains its reactors are solely for civilian use; the West counters that enriched uranium can only serve military purposes.

                              Representatives of the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council — the United States, Russia, China, the United Kingdom and France — plus Germany arrived in Geneva this week for the first round of negotiations with Iran since last month's historic phone call between President Barack Obama and Iran’s new president, Hassan Rouhani.

                              Their brief conversation was the first official contact between leaders of the US and Iran since 1979, and was heralded as a diplomatic breakthrough.

                              But Shfaim isn’t buying it.

                              "They've invested billions of dollars in the nuclear project! You think they're about to give it up? No way. No one would," Shfaim said of Iran.

                              In Israel’s Iranian community, many evince a reflexive, dismissive skepticism of Rouhani. Most in the community arrived after 1979, many under treacherous circumstances.

                              Shfaim barely made it out of Iran, back in 1986.

                              It was one of the bloodiest periods in the Iran-Iraq war, and Shfaim, then 18, was about to be drafted. All males of draft age — meaning, 14 and older — were refused passports as Iran flailed in the war.

                              Shfaim's parents paid smugglers about $2,000 to help their son flee, and he joined a group of 35 Jews who trekked over mountains to surreptitiously cross into Pakistan.

                              It was, he says, "terrifying." The group was attacked by pirates — who often worked in cahoots with the smugglers. One of his cousins, traveling in another group, vanished while trying to escape.

                              After reaching Pakistan, "the first thing we did was find the U.N.," he recalled, "so that we wouldn't get caught." He remained in Pakistan under U.N. protection for 6 months.

                              "I love Iran," Shfaim said. "It is one of the most beautiful places on earth. I am one hundred percent Iranian."

                              But his patriotism has no bearing on his feelings about Iran's nuclear ambitions, or its new president’s latest gambit. Rouhani’s apparent overtures to the West are "complete baloney — all politics and nothing else," he said.

                              Shfaim has surprisingly jovial memories of the Islamic revolution, which took place when he was 11.

                              "You know, it was exciting," he said, smiling. "Fire, bullets, lots of people on the streets. One thing I remember well is that no one knew who Khomeini was. No one had even heard of him. Everybody was out on the streets protesting against the Shah — Down with the Shah! — and at one point posters started appearing with Khomeini's picture on them. No one had any idea who that guy was. It wasn't for him that they took to the streets. It was to get rid of the Shah."

                              In an abstract fashion, Shfaim is an optimist about the future of Israel-Iranian ties.

                              "Iranians are not Egyptians or Syrians, who grow up hating Israel. They're not Arabs. Iranians are not even religious," he said as he touched up a collar with an iron."

                              If the government changes, God willing, there will be peace. No problem."

                              Yes, there are Iranians in Israel: Here's what one thinks of the nuclear talks - World News
                              Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
                                View of Iran from an Iranian....
                                Hardly a representative of the voice of the people of Iran. Interesting, nonetheless.

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