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    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    The chinese strategy against islamist terrorists is the best. Much of this terrorist BS is propaganda. They WANT the media to cover and amplify their rambo martyr shit around the world. The world could learn from the chinese and stop broadcasting these idiots on live tv. The kenyan siege should not have been covered in real-time. Instead it should have appeared as a one liner headline on 17th page after two weeks - "13 stray pigs were found and exterminated by local authorities in westgate mall". The end.
    It's a valid point but I don't think it'd fly in a western country. You'd have people saying the government was hiding information from the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    I say FUCK EM and shoot them do not capture them. We dont want them back or any of their kind.

    Its bad enough we have never fully retrieved our honored dead soldiers from foreign shores from past conflicts.

    But these militants should be shot and hung for all to see, who give a rats ass what happens to the bodies. Let the crows have them.
    I was actually thinking the exact opposite.

    Death is too light of a punishment for them. Catch and torture, till they regret being ever born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anil View Post
    The chinese strategy against islamist terrorists is the best. Much of this terrorist BS is propaganda. They WANT the media to cover and amplify their rambo martyr shit around the world. The world could learn from the chinese and stop broadcasting these idiots on live tv. The kenyan siege should not have been covered in real-time.
    There are two aspects to this POV:
    (a) These terror incidents are used for propaganda (through print and video) in the madarssas and mosques of the muslim world to collect donations and recruits.
    (b) In today's media savvy environment keeping incidents of such a serious nature away from the public will be counter-productive. There are economic risk management issues at stake here.

    Using the Chinese example is incorrect as Chinese govt controls the media, while the same is not true in the rest of the world.

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    RIP to the victims, hope their families and close ones will find a strength to overcome this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tronic View Post
    I was actually thinking the exact opposite.

    Death is too light of a punishment for them. Catch and torture, till they regret being ever born.
    Actually, capture, hold them for few years, leak some info you have from various sources, then let them go.

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    From what I gather, authorities are looking into the possibility that this Brit was involved. Samantha Lewthwaite is the widow of deceased 7/7 bomber Germaine Lindsay. She has long been suspected of being in Somalia and is wanted by Kenyan authorities for conspiracy to plant bombs in Kenyan cities. al-Shabab has denied that any women were involved in the attack.


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    I have doubts that she was directly involved in the attack.

    She is not new to the authorities and the agencies.

    From what I have read previously she is a valuable asset, both for recruiting, as well as for training.
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    The siege is apparently over with a tentative 68 dead. CNN reports that 5 terrorists were killed (including an unidentified woman) and 11 people have been arrested in connection with the attack. Israeli 'advisers' have been airlifted back to Israel.

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    International forensic teams join Kenyan mall carnage probe
    September 25, 2013

    NAIROBI, Sep 25 – Kenyan and foreign forensics teams scoured the wreckage of a Nairobi shopping mall Wednesday for bodies and clues after a four-day siege by Islamist gunmen left 67 dead and dozens more missing. Rescuers and investigators wore face masks and some soldiers wrapped scarves around their mouths because of an overpowering stench inside the Westgate centre, once the capital’s most upmarket mall. A large part of the complex has collapsed after heavy explosions and a fierce fire.
    Across Kenya, flags flew at half mast at the start of three days of official mourning. Police said the death toll was provisional, with the Kenyan Red Cross reporting 71 people listed as missing. Interior Minister Joseph Ole Lenku, however, said only an “insignificant” number of bodies were believed to still be in the mall, and that most were those of the attackers.

    Top forensic experts and investigators from Britain, the United States, Israel, Germany, Canada and Interpol had joined the probe, he said, but was unable to answer many remaining questions over the identity of the attackers, the possible presence of a British woman and American jihadists, and how the cell got such large quantities of weapons and ammunition into the complex. “It is an elaborate process. Among the things that are going on now are fingerprinting, DNA identification (and) ballistic examinations,” Lenku said, adding that the evidence collection would take at least a week. An AFP reporter outside the bullet-riddled mall saw teams with sniffer dogs entering the mall, apparently to check for explosives and victims buried under the rubble of a collapsed part of the building. Forensic teams could take at least a week to gather evidence, Lenku said. “The bodies that are still inside the mall will have to be identified from photos. They are now in such a state of decomposition that you can’t put a family member through that,” the official said. “There was blood everywhere,” one soldier who entered the mall during the siege said. “Some bodies were burnt and others rotting.”

    The attack was meticulously planned and prepared, with fighters stocked with enough ammunition to hold off Kenyan forces backed by American, British and Israeli agents. According to US officials cited by the New York Times Wednesday, the attackers had blueprints of the mall and had hidden powerful belt-fed machine guns in one of the stores beforehand, perhaps with the help of a corrupt local employee.
    Source: Capital FM - Kenya

    Belt fed machine guns? .50 cal? Must be very grim inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minskaya View Post
    Belt fed machine guns? .50 cal? Must be very grim inside.
    They are possibly referring to PKM gpmgs...

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    Aye , the religion of peace strikes again , sad demented no brained pond life .


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    Nairobi hostages were tortured before they were killed, says police doctor
    “Those are not allegations. Those are f****** truths,” the doctor, a forensics expert, told The Star newspaper. “They removed balls, eyes, ears, nose. They get your hand and sharpen it like a pencil then they tell you to write your name with the blood. They drive knives inside a child’s body. Actually, if you look at all the bodies, unless those ones that were escaping, fingers are cut by pliers, the noses are ripped by pliers.”
    This is a claim from an unnamed source. Similar things were done in the taj hotel by terrorists for three days(although entire details were suppressed by indian govt) so I'm assuming it may not be untrue.

    These are two case studies. Next time a bunch of islamist gunmen enter a crowded location, I hope special forces storm the location right away instead of waiting for three days with a request to negotiate. The apple is consciously well aware that it has rotted and has nothing to loose.
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    Hostages were left hanging and had their eyes gouged, others were dismembered. Others had their throats slashed or were castrated and had fingers amputated. A forensics doctor said all of the victims were mutilated. Britain's Daily Mail reported children stashed in refrigerators with knives in their bodies. "You find people with hooks hanging from the roof. They removed eyes, ears, nose. Actually if you look at all the bodies, unless those ones that were escaping, fingers are cut by pliers, the noses are ripped by pliers," said the doctor. Some of the terrorists' bodies also appeared to have been burned by fellow extremists to protect their identities.
    Source: USA Today

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    That is just sick. Do they have a final number on how many terrorists were in the mall, and how many were killed/captured?

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    It is obvious,but these guys are absolutely stupid.Next raid,you'll have mothers and fathers ambushing them with broken bottles of beer.It will be a slaughterhouse still,but it will be slower and it may cost them casualties.It will disrupt their plan and provide an advantage for the CT units.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestorm View Post
    That is just sick. Do they have a final number on how many terrorists were in the mall, and how many were killed/captured?
    Reports from Kenya say 15 in total. Five are dead and ten others arrested. Apparently, they rented an empty store in the mall about two weeks ago and used the time to move heavy weapons and crates of ammunition inside.

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