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  • #16
    Originally posted by Defcon5 View Post
    Not what happened. You got it wrong.
    The point is that an honour killing was turned into a communal issue. Why?
    Because the SP does not want to loose the minority vote,....appeasement politics.
    The BJP joined hands to spread the fire....hate politics.
    The Congress too jumped into the fray by accusing the SP.....arm twisting to get their pound of flesh for SP arm twisting the Congress last month.
    The BSP, has nothing better to do anyway...so they also accuse the SP.

    Congress ruled India for 90% of the time, made Indian laws and politics for 90% of the time, and also ruled most states for the most amount of time. If there are things wrong in India, they are the prime cause of it, along with the Indian Society
    Agreed, but a lot of damage is being done by the right wingers and the regional parties, most of whom are made up of specimens of the worst kind.

    Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by lemontree View Post



      Agreed, but a lot of damage is being done by the right wingers and the regional parties, most of whom are made up of specimens of the worst kind.
      I am sorry but that goes too far. Congress had the power like Firestorm said and the onus is on them. When BJP was in power, Congress literally blamed BJP for every ill and more of the society and now Congress is in power, they are deflecting or projecting blame on BJP.

      Your statement is nothing but of the sort run of the mill bashing against a group for every ill or blot imagined.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by lemontree View Post
        The point is that an honour killing was turned into a communal issue. Why?
        Because the SP does not want to loose the minority vote,....appeasement politics.
        The BJP joined hands to spread the fire....hate politics.
        The Congress too jumped into the fray by accusing the SP.....arm twisting to get their pound of flesh for SP arm twisting the Congress last month.
        The BSP, has nothing better to do anyway...so they also accuse the SP.
        SP did not turn the killings into a communal issue. Congress and BJP politicians did. By rallying the two warring sides to kill each other. SP was guilty for being negligent and allowing lawlessness to spread in their state. Congress and BJP actively helped that lawlessness to spread.

        Neither of the parties is an iota better than the other.
        Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
        -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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        • #19
          Originally posted by cataphract View Post
          But... but... only BJP can cause riots! Communal... Modi... not secular...
          Well you weren't far off... This is from the Times of India

          UP riots pushing Jats towards BJP?

          In village after riot-hit village, across Muzaffarnagar and Shamli districts, the common refrain among a substantial section Hindus is, "Modi lao, desh bachao." Even RLD and Congress workers are singing paeans in praise of Modi while spewing venom against the Muslims and parties that "favour" them.

          The riots in Muzaffarnagar and Shamli are bearing out what has often been said of Modi: that his is a polarizing presence.
          There you go. It is all Modi's fault after all. The fact that he is a thousand kilometers away and hasn't uttered a word about the riots is of course, irrelevant.
          Last edited by Firestorm; 12 Sep 13,, 01:50.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Blademaster View Post
            I am sorry but that goes too far. Congress had the power like Firestorm said and the onus is on them.
            Ofcourse, but each political party is doing exactly what they did, there is no difference.
            When BJP was in power, Congress literally blamed BJP for every ill and more of the society and now Congress is in power, they are deflecting or projecting blame on BJP.
            When did any political party anywhere sing praises about their rivals....the BJP have not allowed the Parliament to function and carry on service to the nation in the past 8 years - all they want is power at any cost.

            Your statement is nothing but of the sort run of the mill bashing against a group for every ill or blot imagined.
            It is not bashing... if that political group has been found doing covert stuff, to pour oil into a raging fire. Please name any regional or national party that goes around inciting the public by hoisting Pak flags at night to forment trouble; or using videos to incite people of one religion against the other. Apart from the BJP the only other group is the Hurriyat Conference, they use the same tactics to galvanize the public.

            Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Tronic View Post
              Neither of the parties is an iota better than the other.
              That is exactly what I'm saying also.

              Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
                There you go. It is all Modi's fault after all. The fact that he is a thousand kilometers away and hasn't uttered a word about the riots is of course, irrelevant.
                Come one, .... 2 BJP MLAs involved in fanning the violence has nothing to do with the party!!

                The people of UP have the right to choose what they want, they have seen BSP, now SP, ...but BJP would be much better than the latter two, any day. But compared to the Congress - it would be the same.

                Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by lemontree View Post
                  Come one, .... 2 BJP MLAs involved in fanning the violence has nothing to do with the party!!
                  2 MLA's, neither of whom is Modi. I mean, I know he's the media's favorite whipping boy, but this is getting ridiculous. Besides, individual politicians do stupid stuff sometimes, which may not sanctioned by the party itself. Remember this? A cabinet minister to boot! And then another guy (a much more famous one) follows suit.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
                    2 MLA's, neither of whom is Modi. I mean, I know he's the media's favorite whipping boy,
                    Modi is not being blamed or being whipped by the media, the media is only saying that SP's incompetence is pushing the Jats towards supporting the BJP.

                    but this is getting ridiculous. Besides, individual politicians do stupid stuff sometimes, which may not sanctioned by the party itself. Remember this? A cabinet minister to boot! And then another guy (a much more famous one) follows suit.
                    Yes, individual politicians do stupid stuff, and they and their parties have to be held accountable when that stupid stuff leads to violence.
                    Last edited by lemontree; 12 Sep 13,, 07:48.

                    Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Defcon5 View Post
                      Whatever be the content of the video, the underlying story of the video is true. Two Hindu boys were lynched by a Muslim mob.

                      I wonder how it will be the rest of the minorities if Islam becomes the majority in India or attains critical mass?

                      Like it or not, BJP is the lesser of the evil in comparison to all the other parties, this is coming from a congress party family boy!

                      Kerala is a powder keg, waiting to explode.
                      You are justifying a lynch mob mentality because of shit that happened in Pakistan? Our mobs and media should now follow the awesome examples set up in that country? Whatever happens over there is not our business. Nor is India the custodian of Hindu security and sentiment across the world

                      There are many reasons to choose BJP and Modi, moral superiority over communal matters is not one of them.
                      "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by antimony View Post
                        You are justifying a lynch mob mentality because of shit that happened in Pakistan? Our mobs and media should now follow the awesome examples set up in that country? Whatever happens over there is not our business. Nor is India the custodian of Hindu security and sentiment across the world
                        The lynching in question happened in UP, not Pakistan.

                        The Pakistani lynching video was just spread by certain BJP politicians on facebook, twitter and youtube to show the UP people what a lynching looks like...
                        Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
                        -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Tronic View Post
                          The lynching in question happened in UP, not Pakistan.

                          The Pakistani lynching video was just spread by certain BJP politicians on facebook, twitter and youtube to show the UP people what a lynching looks like...
                          Tronic,

                          Defcon said this : Whatever be the content of the video, the underlying story of the video is true. Two Hindu boys were lynched by a Muslim mob.

                          My point is, how does that matter if it was done in a different country, one not particularly well known for tolerance
                          "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by antimony View Post
                            Tronic,

                            Defcon said this : Whatever be the content of the video, the underlying story of the video is true. Two Hindu boys were lynched by a Muslim mob.

                            My point is, how does that matter if it was done in a different country, one not particularly well known for tolerance
                            That's not what he meant. Two boys were really lynched in UP. The video may have been of an event in Pakistan. But the lynching in UP happened as well.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by lemontree View Post
                              Modi is not being blamed or being whipped by the media, the media is only saying that SP's incompetence is pushing the Jats towards supporting the BJP.
                              He was being blamed for being a "polarizing influence" on the rioters.


                              Yes, individual politicians do stupid stuff, and they and their parties have to be held accountable when that stupid stuff leads to violence.
                              Unfortunately, no political party has ever been held accountable for anything in India. The SP shouldn't be complaining about the BJP and Congress when their own highly ranked ministers have such colorful pasts.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
                                He was being blamed for being a "polarizing influence" on the rioters.
                                That, I feel was a silly comment by the reporter.

                                Unfortunately, no political party has ever been held accountable for anything in India.
                                Just to drive home that point:-

                                - 1991 Jain Hawala scam: It was an Indian political scandal involving payments allegedly received by politicians through four hawala brokers, the Jain brothers. It was a US$18 million bribery scandal that implicated - L. K. Advani (BJP), V. C. Shukla (Congress), P. Shiv Shankar (Congress), Sharad Yadav (Janta Dal), Balram Jakhar (Congress), and Madan Lal Khurana (BJP).

                                - The 2G scam - Those implicated - A Raja (DMK), Kannimozi (DMK), and Pramod Mahajan (BJP).

                                - Bihar Fodder scam - RJD - INR 950 crores scam
                                - NRHM scam in UP - The Mayawati of BSP siphoned off USD 1.5 billion from the National Rural Health Mission.
                                - The Tatra scam - P Chidambaram's son involved in the scam (Congress).
                                - Maharashtra irrigation scam - Financial irregularities involving USD 5.4 billion worth of projects (NCP).

                                You can see the dirt, whenever any party comes to power they rob. That is why I don't believe in any party or a single person projected as the "messiah" who will cure all ills in this nation.

                                Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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