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Suppose this happened after the US civil war ended. Northernize the South!
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To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Well, guess it all depends how much ammo would the South stack in those 10 years. If it is enough for few battles, Northern morale might be wary.No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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it also depends on the leadership. sure, grant knew to attack again and again, breaking the Army of Northern Virginia.
but before grant there were 2-3 years of uninspired leadership, where there were 2-3 major battles-- and both sides would retreat and regroup.
and i'm not sure if the logistics weaknesses would show up after only two battles, too. even the French could pull off more than that before getting whupped.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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no, Franco-Prussian War. there was a whole series of running battles along the French-Prussian frontier. logistics wasn't what defeated the French, it was just straight up poor generalship.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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The North may also just settle in for a prolonged nationwide siege via blockade, with maybe a go at cutting the Mississippi and taking new Orleans. Wreck the southern economy and try and force the South onto the offensive.
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Originally posted by astralis View Postno, Franco-Prussian War. there was a whole series of running battles along the French-Prussian frontier. logistics wasn't what defeated the French, it was just straight up poor generalship.
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i dunno...the french lost 140,000 men in 9 months of combat. 25,000 frenchmen died in the siege of paris.
the Union lost 140,000 men in four years of combat.
seems pretty life or death for the french, anyway. given how they were throwing lives away i'm not sure they were exactly conserving on ammo!There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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OoE, is this what you are thinking?
Essentially France was fighting a "limited" war. They inflicted in total 100,000 casualties on the Germans in the entire war. That's all the bullets they had to shoot, all the rounds they had to fire...and a lot of their provincial armies WERE running into ammo shortages, IIRC, and that was over the course of 6-7 months.
The Confederates would've been shooting that much at Bull Run. Six months of ammo expenditures in one afternoon. Hell, even if they are shooting HALF that much I imagine they are going to have problems."The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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Originally posted by astralis View Posti dunno...the french lost 140,000 men in 9 months of combat. 25,000 frenchmen died in the siege of paris.
the Union lost 140,000 men in four years of combat.
seems pretty life or death for the french, anyway. given how they were throwing lives away i'm not sure they were exactly conserving on ammo!
Census data- north/south white-slave (northern advantage)
1850- 14/5.8 white-3.2 slave (8.2 million)
1860-19.7/ 7.2 white- 3.9 slave(12.7 million)
1870- 25.3/ 9.5 white-4.8 slave (15.8 million) *est population if no ACW.Last edited by zraver; 01 Aug 13,, 16:15.
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GVChamp,
the war would be WWI-like in intensity of fervor but not rate of fire. an 1870s style breechloader fires roughly 6-8 shots a minute, compared to 15-20 shots for a WWI style rifle.
a springfield musket can fire 3 shots a minute. so yeah, the logistics nightmare is considerably worse but not impossibly worse, IMO. especially because the south would also be improving her industrial and logistics infrastructure over those 10 years.
The Confederates would've been shooting that much at Bull RunThere is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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