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  • BBC News - Afghan army chief: 'Pakistan controls Taliban'

    "Fighting in Afghanistan could be stopped "in weeks" if Pakistan told the Taliban to end the insurgency, the head of the Afghan army has told the BBC.

    Gen Sher Mohammad Karimi said Pakistan controlled and gave shelter to Taliban leaders, deliberately unleashing fighters on Afghanistan."

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    • Originally posted by 1980s View Post
      BBC News - Afghan army chief: 'Pakistan controls Taliban'

      "Fighting in Afghanistan could be stopped "in weeks" if Pakistan told the Taliban to end the insurgency, the head of the Afghan army has told the BBC.

      Gen Sher Mohammad Karimi said Pakistan controlled and gave shelter to Taliban leaders, deliberately unleashing fighters on Afghanistan."
      Pakistan rejects claims of Afghan Army Chief

      ISLAMABAD, Jul 3 (APP): Pakistan Wednesday rejecting the claims of Afghan Army Chief said it is another effort and attempt to malign Pakistan.Foreign Office Spokesman Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhry while rejecting the reported comments of Afghan Army Chief said, “The allegations that Pakistan “controls” the Taliban and has “unleashed” them on Afghanistan have no basis.” Rejecting these comments categorically, the foreign office spokesman said, “Pakistan has exercised extreme restraint in the face of highly provocative language used by the Afghan civil and military officials over the last few months, not to mention some totally fabricated accusations.”The spokesman said such comments also reflect insincerity on the part of some elements in Afghan government.

      He said, “On the specific request of the Afghan leadership itself, Pakistan has been fully supportive of the reconciliation process and our concrete steps to facilitate this process, are well known.”

      The spokesman said Pakistan will not be deterred in its efforts to support the international community’s efforts to bring peace and stability to Afghanistan.

      “We would, however, hope that the Afghan officials would refrain from leveling baseless allegation and work towards creating a conducive environment that helps advance the shared objectives of peace, stability and prosperity,” said the spokesman.
      Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Pakistan rejects claims of Afghan Army Chief
      Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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      • http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/wo...anted=all&_r=0


        Hmm, Pakistan in a near state of war with another of its neighbours

        and now Pakistans very real fear that the tail bunnies will turn against them almost completely when with the withdrawl of NATO forces the TB will have a safe home in Helmund
        Role Reversal: Pakistan Fears - WSJ.com
        In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

        Leibniz

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        • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
          Because no American General would ever tolerate wholesale slaughter of old men, women, children, and dogs of even just suspected Taliban villages,
          Colonel,

          I am not disputing your knowledge of the situation but something does not feel right. If the Taliban know that they are in for a carnage and that they need these talks to go through, why would they do these dick moves? Does it not make sense to enter a truce at least while the talks are happening? Or is this a matter of bravado?
          "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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          • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            What? To go midevil on the Taliban? There's a bloodbath coming and everyone knows it. I don't see an end to this. Once the ANA finishes off the Taliban, it will turn on itself.
            I do not doubt their willingness to go medieval, just the effectiveness of their actions which will be confined to the Afghan side. The Taliban can go medieval too and they have safe havens (and training/recruitment camps) on the other side of the border where the ANA can't touch them.

            Then, as others have pointed out, there is the question of the Pashtuns in the ANA who'll be mighty pissed if the ANA starts wiping out villages in the Pashtun dominated areas of Afghanistan.
            Last edited by Firestorm; 03 Jul 13,, 18:11.

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            • The Pashtuns comprise less than half the army. Whether the ANA commanders will use the old English trick of keeping companies along ethnic lines and posting those companies away from their home territories remains to be seen: also whether the Afgan govt. (mostly northerners) is willing to cede territory in the south as 'semi-autonomous regions' ala Pakistan's NWFP also remains to be seen. If those two things occur the tail bunnies in Afghanistan, as the Colonel states, don't stand a chance in hell, and Pakistans burgeoning insurgent problems get way more out of control.
              In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

              Leibniz

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              • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/wo...anted=all&_r=0


                Hmm, Pakistan in a near state of war with another of its neighbours

                and now Pakistans very real fear that the tail bunnies will turn against them almost completely when with the withdrawl of NATO forces the TB will have a safe home in Helmund
                Role Reversal: Pakistan Fears - WSJ.com
                Which could turn well in the long run. Unless you are a Taliban.
                No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                • Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
                  the ANA starts wiping out villages in the Pashtun dominated areas of Afghanistan.
                  Out of character so much? Which feelam is this?

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                  • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                    The Pashtuns comprise less than half the army. Whether the ANA commanders will use the old English trick of keeping companies along ethnic lines and posting those companies away from their home territories remains to be seen:
                    Are the commanders also going to implement an 'information blackout' on potential 'Pashtun companies' as the rest of the Army goes 'Genghis Khan' on the Pashtun regions where the Taliban hold sway?

                    Given existing ethnic tensions, I don't see any obvious feasible way for the ANA to go 'Genghis Khan' on Pashtun areas and survive as a cohesive military.
                    Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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                    • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                      and now Pakistans very real fear that the tail bunnies will turn against them almost completely when with the withdrawl of NATO forces the TB will have a safe home in Helmund
                      Pakistan has been pointing out the existence of TTP 'sanctuaries' in Eastern Afghanistan for years now - this isn't a new development.
                      Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
                      https://twitter.com/AgnosticMuslim

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                      • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                        The Pashtuns comprise less than half the army. Whether the ANA commanders will use the old English trick of keeping companies along ethnic lines and posting those companies away from their home territories remains to be seen: also whether the Afgan govt. (mostly northerners) is willing to cede territory in the south as 'semi-autonomous regions' ala Pakistan's NWFP also remains to be seen. If those two things occur the tail bunnies in Afghanistan, as the Colonel states, don't stand a chance in hell, and Pakistans burgeoning insurgent problems get way more out of control.
                        There is a popular saying in hindi which never gets old

                        घर का भेदी लंका ढाए

                        It roughly means, "a traitor from my own house(blood), the entire empire crumbled".

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                        • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
                          Pakistan has been pointing out the existence of TTP 'sanctuaries' in Eastern Afghanistan for years now - this isn't a new development.
                          It's only recently that they've existed in fact though, and I'd predict a growth industry in this area. As regards 'TTP', see below.
                          In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                          Leibniz

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                          • Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
                            Are the commanders also going to implement an 'information blackout' on potential 'Pashtun companies' as the rest of the Army goes 'Genghis Khan' on the Pashtun regions where the Taliban hold sway?

                            Given existing ethnic tensions, I don't see any obvious feasible way for the ANA to go 'Genghis Khan' on Pashtun areas and survive as a cohesive military.
                            How interesting. You see no difference between Pashtun and Taliban.
                            In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                            Leibniz

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                            • Originally posted by anil View Post
                              Out of character so much? Which feelam is this?
                              I have no idea what you are talking about.

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                              • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                                How interesting. You see no difference between Pashtun and Taliban.
                                How exactly would, as OoE suggested, the NA go 'Genghis Khan' without blurring the distinction between non-combatants and combatants?
                                Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
                                https://twitter.com/AgnosticMuslim

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