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    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-and-handed-it

    i agree with the sentiment that NATO allies need to contribute more to the common defense, but if true, seriously...what a dick.

    Trump handed £300B NATO 'invoice' to German chancellor: report
    BY MALLORY SHELBOURNE - 03/26/17 01:50 PM EDT 543

    President Trump gave German Chancellor Angela Merkel a staff-created bill for NATO defenses estimated at £300 billion, The Times of London reported on Sunday.

    Trump reportedly handed Merkel the invoice during her trip to Washington, D.C. earlier this month.

    “The concept behind putting out such demands is to intimidate the other side, but the chancellor took it calmly and will not respond to such provocations,” a German minister told the newspaper.

    Trump during his presidential campaign railed against the NATO alliance and has called for member countries to increase defense spending to support the organization.

    Merkel “ignored the provocation,” the Times said.

    The Independent reported that the fake “invoice” listed a total, as estimated by Trump's aides, to cover Germany’s unpaid contributions. In 2014, NATO countries pledge to spend 2 percent of their gross domestic product on defense. The Independent said Trump told aides to calculate how much German spending fell below that 2 percent in the past 12 years -- backdating the invoice to when Merkel's predecessor was in charge -- then add interest.

    In a joint press conference with Merkel during her visit, Trump told reporters that he emphasized the United States’ commitment to NATO and the need for allies to increase defense spending.

    The chancellor said her country plans to increase its spending on NATO to 2 percent of Germany’s gross domestic product.
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    There's some people suggesting we should hand the US a bill for the ODA quota in return, i.e. for the self-proclaimed target signed at the UN to spend 0.7% GDP on foreign aid. Which the USA undercuts since 1972 by a far higher margin than Germany's defence undercuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    There's some people suggesting we should hand the US a bill for the ODA quota in return, i.e. for the self-proclaimed target signed at the UN to spend 0.7% GDP on foreign aid. Which the USA undercuts since 1972 by a far higher margin than Germany's defence undercuts.
    Meh, you are at 0.5%. Should you fine yourselves, too?

    And one math issue. How can 2 be less then 0.5?
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    Ahh, I remember being told of NZ being handed a bill at the end of WWII for our defense. We handed one back for a dollar more for supplying board, food and the ongoing care and education of the many American-fathered babies left behind. A far as I'm aware the dollar wasn't paid. :-)
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    The German-French C-130 squadron has been revealed to be planned as a fully binational unit - i.e. including multinational individual crews and full access of either country to aircraft provided by the other. Operationally similar to NATO AWACS flights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    i agree with the sentiment that NATO allies need to contribute more to the common defense, but if true, seriously...what a dick.
    German government has officially denied these reports to be true according to their spokesman.

    The standard interpretation of this denial is that while they didn't "send us a bill" the way the London Times wrote, someone did calculate that amount and presented it when Merkel was over there.

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    yeah, the story sounded just a bit too "fantastic" (in the unreal sense) to me, so i'm glad i added the qualifier. :-)
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