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    snapper,

    not sure where DOR is trying to force any country to do anything...just stating what he believes is the root reason for rejecting Muslim/African migration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    it's the basis of what "national identity" is made of. is it of a religious/racial character? there's varying degrees of problematic there.

    that's not to say there are other issues involved. i believe in opening up immigration, but on the other hand i don't believe in -unlimited- immigration either...and there's -some- room for cultural considerations in that.
    Some national identities are going to include religious or racial dimensions. It's not really our problem if Poland says you have to be Catholic and White to move there, or Israel decides you need to be Jewish to move there. Not everyone has to share our ideals, and our international institutions should be about advancing our common interests and not imposing said ideals.

    If we are interested in imposing our ideals, we should just amp up military spending and start appointing some Imperial Governors to rule the barbarians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    snapper,

    not sure where DOR is trying to force any country to do anything...just stating what he believes is the root reason for rejecting Muslim/African migration.
    What he said I said about what you said.
    Last edited by DOR; 21 Oct 17, at 11:31.
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    How low can you go? (Unemployment, that is)

    In the US, continuing unemployment claims in the first week of October were lower than at any time since January 1974, nearly 44 years ago.

    The 1.89 million figure was the 27th week in a row below the two million mark. To put that into perspective, the last time the figure was below two million was for five out of seven weeks in the spring of 2000. Five out of seven brief weeks, compared to 27 weeks in a row.

    Another perspective: 1.89 million today is 1.2% of the labor force or 0.6% of the population. In 1974, it was 2.2% of the labor force and 0.9% of the population.

    Initial claims: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ICSA
    Continuing claims: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CCSA
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    snapper,

    not sure where DOR is trying to force any country to do anything...just stating what he believes is the root reason for rejecting Muslim/African migration.

    Rofl he may find trying to enforce his views on others as more difficult than stating them. I do not try when it comes to religion as for me my relationship to God is a private matter that has no influence on what policy I might think wiser or less wise. I have seriously considered the Convent at times before but I am not about to - nor do I think it wise - force all Ladies to become Nuns. I can understand that David may not be as religious as me - or even not religious at all - not a problem for me; I am not on a mission to convert others to my faith and my path to the Lord may not be right for others anyway. But for someone to state that wishing to live in a Christian community is "racist" or some other such form exclusivity denies the Christian choice. Will you introduce Imans, Ayatollahs etc to Convents and Monasteries? Why not also Buddhist teachers or Zoroastrian Magi and every other faith? No I reject even the suggestion of this enforcement of 'multiculturalism' on those who's choice, heritage and tradition is interwoven with their faith. It is intolerance of their very being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Rofl he may find trying to enforce his views on others as more difficult than stating them. I do not try when it comes to religion as for me my relationship to God is a private matter that has no influence on what policy I might think wiser or less wise. I have seriously considered the Convent at times before but I am not about to - nor do I think it wise - force all Ladies to become Nuns. I can understand that David may not be as religious as me - or even not religious at all - not a problem for me; I am not on a mission to convert others to my faith and my path to the Lord may not be right for others anyway. But for someone to state that wishing to live in a Christian community is "racist" or some other such form exclusivity denies the Christian choice. Will you introduce Imans, Ayatollahs etc to Convents and Monasteries? Why not also Buddhist teachers or Zoroastrian Magi and every other faith? No I reject even the suggestion of this enforcement of 'multiculturalism' on those who's choice, heritage and tradition is interwoven with their faith. It is intolerance of their very being.
    I have not said wishing to live in a Christian community is racist. Nor have I said that one who believes differently or has no belief must be admitted to any religion's training or worship facilities. Obviously, this is a straw man to which we can all point and laugh.

    What I will say is wishing to exclude someone from your community on the basis of race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, size, hair color or any of a dozen other things that have nothing whatsoever to do with the neighborliness of an individual is the opposite of the Christian-Judeo ideal.

    Oh, and it may well be racist, bigoted, xenophobic and intolerant.

    And, if your belief system or your community standards dictate that entire groups of people must be excluded because of characteristics over which they may have no control (including family religious traditions), then congratulations, you, too, are likely to be racist, bigoted, xenophobic and intolerant.
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