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  • #16
    Poor guy...
    Amazing case of self delusion.
    Pakistan
    Musharraf interrupted
    Apr 19th 2013, 12:01 by A.R. | ISLAMABAD

    THE arrest of General Pervez Musharraf on April 19th, in Islamabad, should bring home at last to Pakistan’s former leader that he no longer has the clout to ride roughshod over the country’s battered institutions. As his delusions—that he could become a political actor once again in Pakistan, or that he could preserve his personal immunity while back in the country—fall away, he finds himself staring at a difficult future.

    Mr Musharraf is in a tricky position. Earlier this week he learned that his efforts to run as a candidate for parliamentary elections on May 11th had failed, in four separate constituencies. Courts ruled that he was not of proper character to seek election. He had already been told that, as he is on a watch-list, he is unable to leave the country to return to his self-imposed exile in Britain or Saudi Arabia.

    His decision to come back to Pakistan in March increasingly looks to have been a mistake. On his return, in Karachi, a pathetically small crowd of supporters waited to see him. His appearances have drawn little backing. His supposedly large following on Facebook has proven to be an entire irrelevance: it does not translate into serious political support on the ground.

    On April 18th he appeared in court to answer charges over an attempt to arrest a number of Pakistani judges in 2007. It went almost as badly as possible: he was told he would be arrested. Police and even lawyers in the court tried to grab him. Only the presence of tough personal-security team (flanking him in the picture above), and the mysterious decision of the gatekeeper at the court to allow his bulletproof vehicle to race away, let the general avoid immediate arrest. The next day, apparently after negotiations, he returned to court to hear he would be placed under house arrest, at least for the next two days. But then soon after he was transferred to police headquarters in Islamabad, to be kept in the officer's mess for the time being—for his own safety, the police say.

    Did Mr Musharraf come back to Pakistan with any grand political purpose in mind, and if so, how does the arrest fit in? One rumour in Islamabad, ever home to endless talk of conspiracies, is that the former general is back in Pakistan to help muddy the political waters ahead of the election. The army, though not obviously meddling in politics before the polls, could possibly want to confuse voters, in an effort to dampen the chances of the election frontrunner, Nawaz Sharif, whose Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) or PML(N), is likely to emerge strongest. Mr Sharif has been explicit in criticising the army, ever since Mr Musharraf led it in toppling him as prime minister in a coup in 1999.

    That is based on other, not implausible, speculations: that Imran Khan’s rise as a political force is somehow also encouraged by the army; that the popular activism of a cleric, Tahir-ul-Qadri, in January, was also designed to stir up confusion pre-elections. Mr Musharraf’s return might have fit that mould. He does not poll badly when voters are asked what they think of him. One recent national poll saw Mr Musharraf favoured by roughly a fifth of respondents; thus he was ranked as one of the more popular leaders in the country.

    Yet that does not mean he could have any serious impact on elections. A pollster for GallupPakistan, Ijaz Gilani, nicely distinguishes Mr Musharraf’s presence as a notable national figure from his electoral prospects: “he’s an insignificant political player, almost a zero-electoral player.” Unless somehow the current row blows up into a much bigger confrontation, it is hard to imagine Mr Musharraf influencing the coming polls.

    According to one person in contact with the current chief of the armed forces, General Ashfaq Kayani, Mr Musharraf was in fact strongly discouraged from returning to the country. One fear was that Mr Musharraf would be vulnerable to terrorist attack, and sufficient protection may not be provided for him. Another concern, now playing out, is that awkward precedents might be set. This is the first time in Pakistan’s history that a four-star general has been arrested. Others may follow more easily in future.

    Mr Musharraf, however, may not dislike the current situation too badly. Various political analysts in Islamabad conclude that a kind of homesickness, the desire to be back where he mattered, drew him home to Pakistan. His prospects might be compared to Egypt’s former military leader, Hosni Mubarak, who faces legal cases but is able to live in some comfort. Mr Musharraf’s conditions are much more comfortable than the Egyptian’s. If he is kept under house arrest after all, he will be living under generous guard at his farmhouse home near Islamabad.

    It could be, too, that he calculates a spell under arrest is a means towards some rehabilitation of his image. The current president, Asif Zardari, had precious little credibility as a politician when he took over charge of the ruling Pakistan Peoples Party, after the death of his wife, Benazir Bhutto. But at least Mr Zardari had a prison record. In South Asia serious politicians usually have a spell in prison to point to, supposedly as proof of their zeal and sacrifice to their causes.

    Yet another, perhaps more convoluted, theory exists. Mr Musharraf’s trials may not have much impact on the coming elections, but could serve as somehow useful to the army in the post-election period. If Mr Sharif were to become prime minister after the elections in May, might the army want to dish up some sort of problem to distract him from the start? A big row over what to do with Mr Musharraf could turn out to be helpful.
    Pakistan: Musharraf interrupted | The Economist
    (Picture credit: AFP)
    Last edited by troung; 21 Apr 13,, 01:46.
    To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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    • #17
      Originally posted by anil View Post
      ^??? Did my comment give you that message?

      The guy is an army man, not a politician. The PA is in control, not the political administration. What makes you think the PA will just watch while the politicians have their way with an army guy?
      Depends what he game is. The PA may choose to use its power to try to keep him out of jail, but it might also cut a deal with the government to either give him a light sentence or they may even cut him loose. It is just a matter of politics & what is expedient.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by anil View Post
        ^??? Did my comment give you that message?

        The guy is an army man, not a politician. The PA is in control, not the political administration. What makes you think the PA will just watch while the politicians have their way with an army guy?
        Read about Gen Zia Ul Haq and how he was mango crated. Mushy's lawyers already tried to drag Kiyani into this treason case, if he pushes further with this approach , then its cheaper for army to get rid of him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by anil View Post
          The guy is an army man, not a politician. The PA is in control, not the political administration. What makes you think the PA will just watch while the politicians have their way with an army guy?
          What about Kayani's ambitions?..why would he play second fiddle to Musharraf?
          Musharraf has as usual fcuked up again.

          Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by lemontree View Post
            What about Kayani's ambitions?..why would he play second fiddle to Musharraf?
            Musharraf has as usual fcuked up again.
            Yesterday's man.

            As I said, if it is expedient for the PA to sell him down the river then he is gone. Perhaps they will make sure he has a nice cell.
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            • #21
              *** Shaking my head ***

              ISLAMABAD: Pakistan government says it won't charge Musharraf | World | Tri-CityHerald.com

              Pakistan's claims to international law is a travesty. She does not even observe her own laws.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                *** Shaking my head ***

                ISLAMABAD: Pakistan government says it won't charge Musharraf | World | Tri-CityHerald.com

                Pakistan's claims to international law is a travesty. She does not even observe her own laws.
                My guess, Kayani is turning up the screws. Letting the Civvie government prosecute an ex-army chief, even a scumbag like Mushy, may set bad precedence.
                "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                • #23
                  Mush now banned from contesting elections:

                  Pakistan Court Bans Musharraf From Office for Life
                  By RIAZ KHAN Associated Press
                  PESHAWAR, Pakistan April 30, 2013 (AP)
                  A Pakistani court on Tuesday banned former military ruler Pervez Musharraf from running for public office for the rest of his life, the latest blow since he returned from exile last month to make a political comeback.

                  The ban came as Pakistan's powerful army chief pledged in a rare speech that the military would do everything in its power to ensure the parliamentary election is held as scheduled on May 11, despite the Taliban's attempt to disrupt the vote by attacking candidates.

                  One of Musharraf's lawyers, Saad Shibli, said he would go to the Supreme Court to challenge the ruling against his client, claiming the former leader should not be singled out for punishment for his actions while in power since others were involved.

                  "About 500 officials at different levels and institutions were part of Musharraf's actions, and if those actions come under scrutiny, all those people should be involved in this matter," Shibli said.

                  Judges had previously barred Musharraf from running in the parliamentary election scheduled for May 11. The Peshawar High Court handed down the lifetime ban Tuesday after hearing an appeal by Musharraf's lawyer to allow him to run in the upcoming election.

                  Musharraf returned to Pakistan in March after four years in self-imposed exile, but his fortunes have gone from bad to worse since he arrived. He is currently under house arrest in connection with a pair of court cases against him.


                  One involves his decision to fire senior judges, including the chief justice of the Supreme Court, while in power. The other relates to the assassination of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto in 2007. Government prosecutors have accused Musharraf of being involved — allegations he has denied.

                  Musharraf seized power in a coup in 1999 when he was serving as army chief and ruled for nearly a decade. He stepped down in 2008 because of growing discontent with his rule.

                  He returned to Pakistan despite Taliban death threats, but was met by only a few thousand people when his plane landed in the southern port city of Karachi. Analysts said the response showed how little public support he enjoyed in the country.

                  The run-up to next month's parliamentary election has been marred by violence, much of it carried out by the Pakistani Taliban.

                  On Tuesday, gunmen killed a politician running for a provincial assembly seat in southwestern Baluchistan province in an attack that seemed to be the result of a political rivalry, said local government official Saeed Ahmad.

                  The Taliban have killed at least 60 people in attacks on candidates and party workers since the beginning of April. Many have targeted secular parties, raising concerns the violence could benefit hard-line Islamic politicians and others who take a softer line toward the militants.

                  The military plans to deploy troops on election day to provide security. Army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani said Tuesday that the soldiers will do everything they can to limit disruptions.

                  "I assure you, that we stand committed to wholeheartedly assist and support in the conduct of free, fair and peaceful elections to the best of our capabilities and remaining within the confines of the constitution," Kayani said in a televised speech in Urdu marking the day dedicated to fallen soldiers. "This indeed is a golden opportunity, which can usher in an era of true democratic values in the country."

                  The election marks the first transfer between democratically elected governments in a country that has experienced three military coups since it was founded in 1947.

                  Kayani insisted that the fight against the Pakistani Taliban was vital for the security of the country, hitting back at critics who have claimed the state is fighting Islamic militants only at the behest of the United States.

                  "There is no room for doubts when it comes to dealing with rebellion against the state," Kayani said.

                  The Pakistani Taliban have been waging a bloody insurgency against the government for years, killing thousands of security personnel and civilians. They seek to impose Islamic law and break the alliance with the United States.

                  "We sincerely desire that all those who have strayed and have picked up arms against the nation return to the national fold," Kayani said. "However, this is only possible once they unconditionally submit to the state, its constitution and the rule of law."
                  Pakistan Court Bans Musharraf From Office for Life - ABC News

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                  • #24
                    Mushy goes free

                    Told ya Kiyani would not let his old pal suffer ;)

                    Former dictator Musharraf granted bail, free to leave Pakistan | Reuters

                    (Reuters) - Former military dictator Pervez Musharraf could leave Pakistan as soon as Thursday after a decision by a court paving the way for his release, his lawyer said on Wednesday.

                    Musharraf's fate has been subject to intense speculation since he became the first former army chief to be arrested this year, breaking an unwritten rule that the top ranks of the military are untouchable, even after they have retired.
                    I guess we will see "His Insufferableness" more on the lecture circuit now.
                    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                    • #25
                      Probably the Most patriotic Pakistani i have ever seen.

                      Wish him best of luck.Best of Luck to his Party and Chitral

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by farhan_9909 View Post
                        Probably the Most patriotic Pakistani i have ever seen.

                        Wish him best of luck.Best of Luck to his Party and Chitral
                        Dude, seriously??

                        This guy, who screwed Indo-Pak relationships, ruined democracy, made Pakistan a client state of the US, made millions from the public purse, is the greatest patriot? This liar who till now, even after his former colleagues have come out with the real story on Kargil, contends that Kargil was a regional sectoral skirmish?

                        Is he a greater patriot than the officers and jawans of NLI, who he sent out to die on a fruitless mission without adequate support?

                        He is a disgrace for your country and you should be happy to get rid off him
                        "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                        • #27
                          Pakistan rearrests ex-president Musharraf

                          Pakistan rearrests ex-president Musharraf over Red Mosque deaths | Reuters

                          Looks like Mian saab is keen on settling old scores. I am just wondering if this is also about giving a message to India (a peace overture)
                          "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by antimony View Post
                            Pakistan rearrests ex-president Musharraf over Red Mosque deaths | Reuters

                            Looks like Mian saab is keen on settling old scores. I am just wondering if this is also about giving a message to India (a peace overture)
                            If same rigour is shown in arresting haafeez a pig saeed, then mian saab can be taken seriously. This is just personal score settlement and nothing to do with messaging india.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by IND76 View Post
                              If same rigour is shown in arresting haafeez a pig saeed, then mian saab can be taken seriously. This is just personal score settlement and nothing to do with messaging india.
                              That's probably a stretch. Do recall that the judges are the ones throwing the cases against those terr pigs out of court.
                              "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by IND76 View Post
                                If same rigour is shown in arresting haafeez a pig saeed, then mian saab can be taken seriously. This is just personal score settlement and nothing to do with messaging india.
                                Two significantly different cases from the legal perspective. Musharraf is being charged by virtue of his position as the 'President of Pakistan' at the time the events occurred - the argument being that he issued the orders (or approved the policies) that led to the events in question. Musharraf is not questioning the fact that he was the man in charge or that he approved the polices that led to the events in question. Whether the eventual results of those policies approved by Musharraf as President (storming the Lal Masjid or attacking Bugti) make him criminally liable in any way is another matter (it is an argument that I personally do not believe should hold up in court).

                                Hafiz Saeed on the other hand has denied any role whatsoever in the Mumbai attacks, and insists his organization (JuD) was not involved. That poses a significantly bigger challenge from the perspective of linking him to the Mumbai attacks, in any manner.
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