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  • #31
    Originally posted by DonBelt View Post
    Well, if that's the standard, the Philipines still operate a Cannon class DE, Mexico still operates a Gearing class DD and an Edsall class DE. Or Peru, that still operates old ex-US Loreto river gunboats. Their all gun cruiser is an ex-dutch cruiser, the BAP Almirante Grau (CLM-81). I'm not sure though by what you mean as old school- all gun, or boilers?
    Ahh didnt think of those and i guess i mean a little of both lol.

    Originally posted by SharkPilot View Post
    We had escorts up the ying-yang on that trial. Helicopters circling around dragging special gizmos to detect Submarines (so I was told). and on the speed run at 200-210 rpm for 8 hrs we ran our first 1052 class escort out of breath and an FFG 7 class had to take its place.

    Just a quick question:
    I thought the 1052's and FFG's topped out around 29 knots. How could they keep up with an Iowa running at 200-210 RPM? Wouldn't that be someplace around 32 knots?

    Thanks.
    Well thats 32 knots with a calm sea. Rough sea would be less i imagine.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by DonBelt View Post
      Of course. No more 600 lb or 1200 lb boilers maybe, but as long as there are tin cans there is Real Navy.
      there are still a few ships left in the fleet with regular boilers, LHD1 to 7 (LHD8 is gas turbine) and LHA-5.

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      • #33
        Plus the two command ships, two sub tenders and the LPD Denver and the AFSB Ponce.

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        • #34
          Yes, that's right. Didn't think of those.

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          • #35
            It amazes me how the Tiawanese still operate Gearing-class DDs. Two are at sea right now.

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            • #36
              Back to original question of what escort ships did the Iowas have: this was my little group that had been out doing ops with the Iowa (the Nassau wasn't part of it) a Spruance and 2 DDG's, most likely Adams class, maybe Coontz. Here's another ad-hoc group: a group of PHM's, frigate and possibly another DDG.
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              • #37
                New Jersey, These are just a few....

                A port view of vessels in the aircraft carrier Midway (CV-41) battle group underway in formation. The vessels include, from left: the frigate Meyerkord (FF-1058) and the guided missile frigate John A. Moore (FFG-19), front row; the battleship New Jersey (BB-62), the aircraft carrier Midway and the frigate Francis Hammond (FF-1067), center, and the fleet oiler Mispillion(T-AO-105), rear on 7 Jul 1983.

                http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/01621d.jpg

                New Jersey (BB-62) with a Surface Action Group transits in the vicinity of Pearl Harbor enroute to Central America, 12 August 1983.

                http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016220h.jpg

                Photo taken from the Ramsey (FFG-2) during Jan/February 1986 shows the carrier Kitty Hawk (CVA-63), the oiler is Kawishawi (maybe) and the New Jersey (BB-62) refueling off the Southern California coast.

                http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016271.jpg

                New Jersey (BB-62) as the centerpiece of Battle Group Romeo,, the first battleship battle group to deploy to the Western Pacific since the Korean War including Long Beach (CGN-9), Wabash (AOR-5), Merrill (DD-976), Copeland (FFG-25) and Thatch (FFG-43). Taken 12 May 1986 at the beginning of the deployment of the first battleship battle group. During this deployment Battle Group Romeo tested the feasibility, composition, and advantages and limitations of a Battleship Battle Group in environments from the Gulf of Thailand to the Bering Sea.

                http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016261.jpg

                A bow on view of the battleship New Jersey (BB-62) leading the American battle line. She is followed by the battleship Missouri (BB-63) and the nuclear-powered guided missile cruiser Long Beach (CGN-9) with other screening vessels following astern of the cruiser. The photograph was taken from the fantail of the Enterprise (CVN-65), possibly during exercise RIMPAC '88 during July 1988.

                http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/016224z.jpg
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                • #38
                  Looks like a Coontz class DDG, Spruance class, and Knox class. The Knox and Spru-can should be out front screening for subs, but it looks like they are on the gun line.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by DonBelt View Post
                    Looks like a Coontz class DDG, Spruance class, and Knox class. The Knox and Spru-can should be out front screening for subs, but it looks like they are on the gun line.

                    In some of the surface shots I have, the line beyond is eclipsed by the broadsides.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by SharkPilot View Post
                      We had escorts up the ying-yang on that trial. Helicopters circling around dragging special gizmos to detect Submarines (so I was told). and on the speed run at 200-210 rpm for 8 hrs we ran our first 1052 class escort out of breath and an FFG 7 class had to take its place.

                      Just a quick question:
                      I thought the 1052's and FFG's topped out around 29 knots. How could they keep up with an Iowa running at 200-210 RPM? Wouldn't that be someplace around 32 knots?

                      Thanks.
                      Whenever you read the speed potentials of ships, the highest speed written is the official "Top Speed". They never quote what "FULL FLANK" is.

                      I was doing some inspections and measurements on the bridge of a -- well -- warship that could do escort duty. At the Captain's chair was a label plate telling at what pitch the propeller blades should be for certain designated speeds with its turbines running at standard RPM. Some of the speeds were designated the old fashioned way such as "Ahead One Third", "Ahead Two Thirds", etc. Then the speed in knots would be engraved to the right of the corresponding speed orders on up to "Full Ahead."

                      But below was listed "Full Flank". Next to it was not a number but one word; "CLASSIFIED".

                      Well, that makes sense as our escort ships have to have some reserve speed booster to keep up with our modern Aircraft Carriers especially when they are at Launch or Landing speeds.
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                      • #41
                        Not to de-rail this thread, but I was on-board the USS Hornet again this weekend, and in the CIC they had the fleet display that showed the largest Task Force the Hornet had ever had; she had FIVE BB's as escort (three Iowa and two South Dakota-class BB's), and a lot of other, smaller ships as well. Was this normal? I think there was even another Essex-class CV in the Task Force, too, but it seems like A LOT of BB's for a Task Force to me, even for so late in the War (must've been '44 or '45).
                        "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Stitch View Post
                          Not to de-rail this thread, but I was on-board the USS Hornet again this weekend, and in the CIC they had the fleet display that showed the largest Task Force the Hornet had ever had; she had FIVE BB's as escort (three Iowa and two South Dakota-class BB's), and a lot of other, smaller ships as well. Was this normal? I think there was even another Essex-class CV in the Task Force, too, but it seems like A LOT of BB's for a Task Force to me, even for so late in the War (must've been '44 or '45).
                          If you show three Iowas then it is December 1944 and later. The later two Iowas didnt reach the Pacific theatre until very late Dec 1944 to early January 1945.

                          Its possible they were being staged for Okinawa. But probably also broken up into different task forces immediately after.
                          Last edited by Dreadnought; 20 Jan 14,, 23:36.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by SharkPilot View Post
                            We had escorts up the ying-yang on that trial. Helicopters circling around dragging special gizmos to detect Submarines (so I was told). and on the speed run at 200-210 rpm for 8 hrs we ran our first 1052 class escort out of breath and an FFG 7 class had to take its place.

                            Just a quick question:
                            I thought the 1052's and FFG's topped out around 29 knots. How could they keep up with an Iowa running at 200-210 RPM? Wouldn't that be someplace around 32 knots?

                            Thanks.
                            I used to get 31 or 32 knots out of Brooke pretty regularly by putting the electrical load on the two ship's service diesel generators, and dumping all of the 1200PIG main steam to the main engine. We had two steam turbine generators and two diesels and they were identical in terms of KVA output so you could parallel them to the bus, or operate them independently. Really a nice design if you are only going to give a ship one shaft. The real limiting factor for the single screw ships like the Garcia/Brooke/Knox-class frigates was the sea injection temperature. In cool water, like that in the SOCAL OPAREA you could do all kinds of crazy stuff to get a couple more knots out of the main engine because you had no real concern with regard to losing vacuum. Try and do that in the Persian Gulf or the Gulf Stream off of Mayport and things could get real ugly real fast.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
                              If you show three Iowas then it is December 1944 and later. The later two Iowas didnt reach the Pacific theatre until very late Dec 1944 to early January 1945.

                              Its possible they were being staged for Okinawa. But probably also broken up into different task forces immediately after.
                              Did a little research (as much as I could without having direct access to the Naval records from '44 and '45), and it looks like she was part of Task Force 58 in '45:

                              Task Force 58
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Stitch View Post
                                Did a little research (as much as I could without having direct access to the Naval records from '44 and '45), and it looks like she was part of Task Force 58 in '45:

                                Task Force 58
                                Operations "Detachment" and "Jamboree" Task Forces it seems. Hornet is only listed in these two. Three of the Iowas were in the raid but seperated by Task Force and CO.

                                In Iceberg all four operated albeit in different task forces and times.

                                Soooo, that set up in the CIC had to be from about April 1945. Sweeps on Iwo, Naha, Okinawa and the surrounding islands.

                                That set up in the cic may have reflected how they set out and then divided up into their respective groups.
                                Last edited by Dreadnought; 21 Jan 14,, 03:05.
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