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  • #31
    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    Yup, all Russia really has in the area is a naval squadron which wont do much with a former US President or secretary of the navy sitting off the coast.
    Russia and China has both long figured out that a Kabuki show at the UN is sufficient to keep the Obama administration in a state of paralysis. Then again, it's easy to be fooled into inaction when that's exactly what you wanted in the first place.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by citanon View Post
      Russia and China has both long figured out that a Kabuki show at the UN is sufficient to keep the Obama administration in a state of paralysis. Then again, it's easy to be fooled into inaction when that's exactly what you wanted in the first place.
      Ahh, yes, it's all Obama's fault. Forgot about that. :red:

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      • #33
        Originally posted by citanon View Post
        Russia and China has both long figured out that a Kabuki show at the UN is sufficient to keep the Obama administration in a state of paralysis. Then again, it's easy to be fooled into inaction when that's exactly what you wanted in the first place.
        So what action would a Republican 'Man Of Action' be taking in Syria?
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        • #34


          Haaretz - Still-frame picture from Syrian television of weapons-convoy vehicles
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Minskaya View Post


            Haaretz - Still-frame picture from Syrian television of weapons-convoy vehicles
            Sanitized... I see vehicle transporters, low boys but no TEL's, I see busses but no bodies etc.
            The transporter we can se emost clearly still has its ramps up with maybe some palletized cargo but not a major BUK component. Busses appear to have been heading in the opposite direction. No major evidence of an air strike, just normal battle damage.

            just my .02, it looks like the aftermath of a rebel attack on government forces. However the dead busses imply dead civvies and what better propaganda footage than carnage 'caused" by the IAF attacking the Syrian military along a crowded road just as two bus loads of people were driving by.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by zraver View Post
              Sanitized... I see vehicle transporters, low boys but no TEL's, I see busses but no bodies etc. The transporter we can se emost clearly still has its ramps up with maybe some palletized cargo but not a major BUK component. Busses appear to have been heading in the opposite direction. No major evidence of an air strike, just normal battle damage. just my .02, it looks like the aftermath of a rebel attack on government forces. However the dead busses imply dead civvies and what better propaganda footage than carnage 'caused" by the IAF attacking the Syrian military along a crowded road just as two bus loads of people were driving by.
              I was thinking along those lines also. Sanitized, and possibly staged. Everything would have been a charred/melted hulk if the IAF had dropped in. This looks more like an RPG/small arms kill box.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
                I was thinking along those lines also. Sanitized, and possibly staged. Everything would have been a charred/melted hulk if the IAF had dropped in. This looks more like an RPG/small arms kill box.
                Looking at it again, staged seems the most likely. See the rock debris in the road, bad for ties so its from the attack, they type of stuff you would expect to see. I also see foliage draped across the cab of the truck. Likely we are to believe that it was knocked down by the blast.

                But its whats wrong with the picture that says the most and all the first buses back four windows and the truck cab are uniformly shattered. Fire that many rounds drop that big of a bomb and it will literally be a blood bath. The aftermaths of blood baths be it combat, disaster or traffic accidents are the uniformaly the same and I do not see any discarded medical dressings or blood. No charred corpses either, they are difficult to remove from charred vehicles (of which we see none).

                Hell the semi is at best only partially burnt. That is a neat trick. As a former truck driver, when a semi burns it does so with gusto is is hard as hell to put out. The fires climb rapidly upward and leave a pile of grey ash below. Instead the truck looks like it took traffic accident damage and has a flat tire.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by zraver View Post
                  No charred corpses either, they are difficult to remove from charred vehicles (of which we see none).
                  Yeah those buses with their rather undisturbed white paint stick out like a sore thumb.
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                  • #39
                    So we've a typically crude attempt at seizing some residual propaganda value by playing upon the certain maudlin sentiments of the western press and public. So what? Whether this was the product of an ambush or air-strike we know that SOMETHING was hit by the IAF somewhere between a Syrian ASP and the Bekaa valley and that more of the same likely remains to be struck at some undetermined point in the near future. There also seems common consensus that, additionally (and likely more importantly), a biological research facility was flattened.

                    This seems the more salient element behind the airstrikes. While allowing PoG to obtain SAM systems can't be good, denying potential WMD to any new actors along with the opportunity to rid the present Assad regime of the same seems paramount. Assad will not pre-emptively and proactively rid these weapons as some parting gesture of good intentions. We can, and must, do so-

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                    Why ISRAEL is concerned? No. Why ALL OF US must be concerned. For this we need no "national conversation".
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
                      And another thing. How is it that Russia escapes an international/Arab beat-down for vetoing three Syrian cease-fire resolutions?
                      I don't get this bit as well. Also what about Iran? They have foot soldier on the ground on the side of Assad and there is not beat-down from the Arab countries?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
                        Source: YNet News

                        From the rough & tough Turks who demanded NATO Patriot protection after a few errant mortar rounds
                        This is crazy, absolutely crazy! This bears no logic at all! Its amazing what hate ideology does to people

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Zinja View Post
                          This is crazy, absolutely crazy! This bears no logic at all! Its amazing what hate ideology does to people
                          And perhaps reveals something of Assad's strategy. If Israel can be provoked into a major confrontation most of the regional players including the 'rebels' are likely to put aside current activities to fight Israel. It's like the dog characters in the movie Up: complex conversations and activities until someone says "SQUIRREL", or in this case Jew.
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                          • #43
                            I think the quote of the day was from the man himself. Assad seems to be taking hiscues from the now-retired 'Baghdad Bob', PR spinmeister extraordinaire.

                            President Assad said on Sunday that last Wednesday's raid "unmasked the true role Israel is playing, in collaboration with foreign enemy forces and their agents on Syrian soil, to destabilise and weaken Syria".
                            Yeah, because without those damned jews Syria would be so stable.

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                            • #44
                              He is misinterpreted.

                              His Iranian friends will teach him how to translate himself correctly.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                                He is misinterpreted.

                                His Iranian friends will teach him how to translate himself correctly.
                                If he survives this he may get a LOT of opportunities to learn, from the comfort of a nice mansion in Tehran.
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