What you are saying is essentially is there is no room for 4 toilets and wardrobe in a tank?
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There isn't even room for one toilet and a wardrobe in a tankMeddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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I know. What I never realized is why on earth you tankers have to poo in a helmet? Armored toilet for armored fellas? Fear that someone can kill your fecal residues?
There are a nice little bedpans, but no, yours have to be from kevlar.No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
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Originally posted by bigross86 View PostOur "war week" was a full training week, from Sunday-Friday morning. Their "war week" was 3 days and 2 nights. And their dropout rate was higher than ours, something near 50% IIRC. Our graduating hike was somewhere in the range of 30Km + 5Km with an open stretcher. Theirs wasn't even 10Km.
Originally posted by Minskaya View PostI personally think that infantry standards should be uniform regardless of gender.sigpic
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostBut your other slots are filled by conscripts, freeing available women who do want to join. An all volunteer force do not have such luxuries.
Luxury or not, the decision has been made.sigpic
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Originally posted by Doktor View PostI know. What I never realized is why on earth you tankers have to poo in a helmet? Armored toilet for armored fellas? Fear that someone can kill your fecal residues?
There are a nice little bedpans, but no, yours have to be from kevlar.Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Abusing Yellow is meant to be a labor of love, not something you sell to the highest bidder.
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Originally posted by Minskaya View PostIf you're bitching on me, you've got the wrong gal. I would apply this maxim to all combat slots.Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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I admit that I have some difficulty understanding the Israeli concept of sending initial-entry soldiers to a school to become instant instructors without ever actually gaining any practical field experience. How can someone be a truly effective tank instructor without having served as a tanker? This is, of course, Israel's business and I suppose that it works for them, but it is a system that makes very little sense to me. I greatly prefer having non-commissioned officers who have been in the field for 3-5 years as a soldier before advancing to be a junior NCO, and additional time in a field leadership role before becoming a school instructor. But again, the entire Israeli system is very different from that of the United States and most other Western countries.
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Originally posted by sourkraut115 View PostBut again, the entire Israeli system is very different from that of the United States and most other Western countries.
Basically, the mechanics of everything military - from martial arts classes to operating howitzers and armor - is taught by female instructors. Once that foundational knowledge is imbued, experienced officers teach conscripts the tactics portion of training. By the final year of your hitch, you are a superbly trained soldier in your specific branch.sigpic
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostI was commenting on an American Caracal style battalion. It's a no go from the start. The slots and women numbers ain't there.sigpic
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"...But again, the entire Israeli system is very different from that of the United States and most other Western countries."
Not entirely. My first active duty assignment was as an instructor at the Field Artillery Officer Basic, Advance and Cannon Battery Courses. No troop time or field experience whatsoever. Literally from the student desk to the platform as a newly-commissioned 2LT with four months of school. I was the second in my instructor branch of, ultimately, five O-1s holding down O-3 slots.
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I don't anticipate a rush of female ranger candidates or cannoneers. They would bring a whole new meaning to gun-bunnie however."This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski
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Originally posted by Minskaya View PostYou know your military far better than I so your assertion is probably correct. It will be interesting to see what mechanisms are employed by the various branches to implement the SecDef directive.
1) There is no rule that says a slot must goto a woman
2) There is no rule that an unqualified candidate must fill an empty slot.
I don't know anyone who suffered career damage for not filling the quota.
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As long as women can meet the same physical requirements as men then I have no issue, but unless the physical requirements are lowered for women, very few women will be able to meet the physical requirements as they currently are.
Originally posted by zraver View PostSec Def Leon Pannetta has decided in his infinite wisdom that PC trumps evolution and the need to actually win in combat (from firefight to the war in whole) and has commanded the US military to allow women into ground combat roles. This is not going to end well.
A normal Army infantryman carries 63lbs worth of gear. SAW gunners, grenadiers, AT gunners, mortarmen etc can carry over 100lbs. That is without accounting for specialized environmental equipment. Load 99% of the women in American down at those levels and they will be profile cases in short order. Its not sexists, its a matter of bone density and muscle mass. Men with much denser bones and gobs more muscle mass still get injured carrying those loads.
Similar problems exist for most of the combat arms. Women might excell at being MP's, but what about engineers who carry even more kit than the infantry. Can a woman feed a gun tube all day? Maybe, if she can pass a mans PT test and prove her upper body strength. However i am willing to bet the PT standards wont merge.
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