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    Russia plans biggest war games since Soviet era

    Some see the naval exercises scheduled later this month as cover for a massive evacuation of Russian citizens from war-torn Syria.

    By Fred Weir, Correspondent / January 3, 2013

    Russia plans biggest war games since Soviet era - CSMonitor.com
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      on a related note





      Russian Navy to Get Over 50 New Warships by 2016


      Russian Navy to Get Over 50 New Warships by 2016, 4 January 2013 Friday 9:33
      Friday, 4 January 2013

      MOSCOW, January 3 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Navy will get over 50 new warships by 2016, including strategic nuclear submarines and special operations support vessels, the Defense Ministry reported on Thursday.

      “By 2016, the combat strength of the Navy will be replenished with 18 surface warships of various ranks and designation, and also 30 special-purpose and counter-subversion vessels. It is also planned to put 6 multi-purpose and strategic submarines into operation,” the ministry said in a statement.

      The quality of new generations of surface warships and submarines being built for the Russian Navy will improve with stronger state acceptance control at the shipyards involved in the Navy’s shipbuilding program, the statement said.

      “The implementation of the shipbuilding program envisages serial construction along with the introduction of new technical and modernization solutions into each subsequently built warship,” the statement said.
      Russia is currently in the middle of a huge rearmament program, with $659 billion to be spent on arms procurement by 2020, according to the Defense Ministry.

      Russia’s Defense Ministry announced on Wednesday unprecedented naval drills in the Mediterranean and Black Seas in late January with the involvement of warships from the Northern, Baltic, Black Sea and Pacific Fleets.

      “The Russian Navy’s drills of this scope will be held for the first time over the past few decades and are designed to improve control, ensure and practice multiservice force interaction of the fleets in the far-off maritime zones,” the ministry’s press office said.

      The drills will be held in line with the Russian Armed Forces’ 2013 combat training plan and will aim to “practice the issues of establishing a multiservice grouping of forces (troops) outside Russia, planning its use and conducting joint actions as part of a united naval grouping based on a common plan,” the press office said.
      “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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        In the Gorbackev era, NATO made verbal agreements not to expand eastwards to Russia's borders, especially in Georgia and Ossetti north of Georgia. But NATO did not keeps its promise and ignored Russia's point of view. When Gorbachev complained he was told that those agreements were not legally binding. Gorbackev, a decent honest man, the nobel peace prize winner, is now furious at the West's actions in the Ukraine, the Coup De'Etat. The destabilizing and orchestrated war in the Ukraine supported by the west and the supporting of the muslim brotherhood, then ISIS, in Egypt and across the middle east, are some of the great tragedies created by the west in our lifetime.

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          In the Gorbackev era, NATO made verbal agreements not to expand eastwards to Russia's borders, especially in Georgia and Ossetti north of Georgia. But NATO did not keeps its promise and ignored Russia's point of view. When Gorbachev complained he was told that those agreements were not legally binding. Gorbackev, a decent honest man, the nobel peace prize winner, is now furious at the West's actions in the Ukraine, the Coup De'Etat. The destabilizing and orchestrated war in the Ukraine supported by the west and the supporting of the muslim brotherhood, then ISIS, in Egypt and across the middle east, are some of the great tragedies created by the west in our lifetime.

          So lets see...

          Small countries that were no longer forced to take orders from Moscow decided they wanted to join NATO rather than continuing to take marching orders from the Kremlin. NATO refuses to let them join until they jump through a number of hoops. That doesn't quite sound like aggressive expansionism on the part of NATO.

          I couldn't comment on Gorbachev as a decent and honest man as I have never met the guy, but I think you are seriously overestimating the ability of the West to influence outcomes in other parts of the world. Try as they might, the West couldn't orchestrate a Coup in Ukraine without broad support for such a Coup in the first place. It's not like Yanukovych was assassinated by the CIA and replaced with a western puppet, the dude did unpopular things, the folks in Kiev got mad, and then he ran away to Russia. From where I sit, this looks a lot more like Ukrainians getting fed up and wanting a change in management than any sinister plot by the CIA.

          As for supporting ISIS, it seems like the West is sending that support in the form of airstrikes. If Russia is worried by the prospect of an Islamic State in the North Caucasus, perhaps pitching in and helping to fight ISIS would be a better plan than sitting on the sidelines complaining about how everything wrong with the world is somehow Washington's fault.
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            Are they bringing enough tugboats?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SteveDaPirate View Post
              So lets see...

              Small countries that were no longer forced to take orders from Moscow decided they wanted to join NATO rather than continuing to take marching orders from the Kremlin. NATO refuses to let them join until they jump through a number of hoops. That doesn't quite sound like aggressive expansionism on the part of NATO.

              I couldn't comment on Gorbachev as a decent and honest man as I have never met the guy, but I think you are seriously overestimating the ability of the West to influence outcomes in other parts of the world. Try as they might, the West couldn't orchestrate a Coup in Ukraine without broad support for such a Coup in the first place. It's not like Yanukovych was assassinated by the CIA and replaced with a western puppet, the dude did unpopular things, the folks in Kiev got mad, and then he ran away to Russia. From where I sit, this looks a lot more like Ukrainians getting fed up and wanting a change in management than any sinister plot by the CIA.

              As for supporting ISIS, it seems like the West is sending that support in the form of airstrikes. If Russia is worried by the prospect of an Islamic State in the North Caucasus, perhaps pitching in and helping to fight ISIS would be a better plan than sitting on the sidelines complaining about how everything wrong with the world is somehow Washington's fault.
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              My point was that the USA have had a foundation in Ukraine for the past 20+ years, like usukraine.org where the USA was influencing society there. There are certain things which bind a nation together, sometimes it is the working class / socialism or sometimes it might be national identity. And there are things within nations / countries / societies which can tear it apart.

              The Ukraine has had some things which could tear it apart, where, in the west of Ukraine, following various wars during the past 300 years, there is a desire there to look more to the west. Their politics, in particular the slovoba party support the famous NAZI "Bandera", and their slogan is "Death to our enemies, Russians in knives" and their machine dress is similar to the Ku Klux Klan. It was members of this right wing party banding together with football hooligans, who burnt alive the 46 protestors who had locked themselves in the trade union building. Some protestors, while being overcome by smoke, jumped out of the building, but were clubbed and kicked to death by the pro-western side, after having jumped from the upper floors of the building.

              The west for a number of years has been publicly supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in efforts to overthrow the regime in power there. There is a clash of ideologies active in Egypt, and neither side are ideal, however it was I believe dangerous of the west to support the MB in the media and militarily. It is this support together with the West's support of anti-government elements in Syria, together with support from the West's friends in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, which has led to the now infamous "Islamic State".

              I believe this is a very important time in the life of humanity where we are now faced with a polarized world, dominated by the ambitions of particular monetary interests to prop-up an artificial currency the "PetroDollar", as without it the $US dollar would be severely downgraded given it debt situaltion and GDP.

              It also seems that the military manufacturers has strong influence in creating fear through the TV and newspaper media and potential war and indeed war, such as the invasion of IRAQ in a search for phantom weapons of mass destruction.

              I do agree with you there is a deep hatred of the former Soviet Power in countries like Poland given what Stalin did after WW2. My friend a Polish Military officer and my Ukranian wife explained to me in detail and there is actually a movie about it. The Soviet command shot / murdered every Polish officer. These were orders handed down by Stalin.

              However it is important when we are talking about how Russian's are perceived internationally, to understand that Stalin was not Russian, he was Georgian. Stalin should never have got to power in the Soviet era. Stalin befriended Lenin's wife. Lenin gave a letter to his wife intended for the party command, however Stalin intercepted the letter and it never reached the party. In the letter were instructions, that under no circumstances should Stalin be allowed become leader. But Stalin's violent legacy remains today throughout the former soviet union, particularly in countries like Poland and other Baltic Countries.

              I think its time to stop the mass proliferation of propaganda and judging from recent meetings I've had in London recently there seems to be a positive move towards peoples "waking up" to what is happening in the world. There will remain the silent masses who still believe what the read and see and hear and are either not aware or are too busy to question or ask for further information. I think it is good for mankind to wake up, to come out of this dark age that we are now in, and become more enlightened. Question the Status Quo, Question the "Power that be", Question the "people in authority", question so called "experts", who is funding them, who is pulling their strings, who do they represent?

              I sensed a slight anti-Russian sentiment in an earlier message, in the last paragraph:

              "As for supporting ISIS, it seems like the West is sending that support in the form of airstrikes. If Russia is worried by the prospect of an Islamic State in the North Caucasus, perhaps pitching in and helping to fight ISIS would be a better plan than sitting on the sidelines complaining about how everything wrong with the world is somehow Washington's faul"

              And given this sentiment, I believe there is no point in my trying to change you one sided point of view. And therefore I have concentrated only on certain facts and certain events and what is. I don't believe you will move your position, such is the world we live in where a certain country has appointed itself as "load and master over all"

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                Originally posted by Tony Gorman View Post
                I sensed a slight anti-Russian sentiment in an earlier message, in the last paragraph:

                "As for supporting ISIS, it seems like the West is sending that support in the form of airstrikes. If Russia is worried by the prospect of an Islamic State in the North Caucasus, perhaps pitching in and helping to fight ISIS would be a better plan than sitting on the sidelines complaining about how everything wrong with the world is somehow Washington's faul"

                And given this sentiment, I believe there is no point in my trying to change you one sided point of view. And therefore I have concentrated only on certain facts and certain events and what is. I don't believe you will move your position, such is the world we live in where a certain country has appointed itself as "load and master over all"
                I'd like to think I'm not terribly biased against Russia, but I suppose it is possible. It is always difficult to accurately gauge one's own biases.

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                What I meant by the quoted statement is that Russia is clearly upset about the possibility of Islamic extremism, in the Middle East and the North Caucasus, and Russia is consistent about loudly blaming the actions of ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. on the West. Yet assigning blame is all Russia seems to be doing. Actions speak louder than words and it is the West, not Russia, who is carrying out daily airstrikes, training and resupplying the Kurds, and putting soldiers in harm's way to fight ISIS. When Russia sends troops and aircraft to Syria to help fight ISIS I will happily retract my statement.

                I'm not criticizing China, India, Brazil, and other large countries that have decided not to intervene against ISIS, because they aren't using the conflict to try to score political points against the guys doing the work. On the flip side of that coin, Iran, who has no love for the US, IS criticizing the US, but they are also fighting ISIS. As long as Iran is participating in the fight, they have the right to say whatever they want. I'd like to see Russia either jump in and help solve an international problem, or get out of the way so the rest of us can.

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                On the topic of Ukraine, the idea that the US somehow has more influence in Ukraine than Russia does is laughable. The US is on the far side of the world, while Ukraine and Russia share a large border, culture, and history. That would be like the US blaming Russia for causing a revolution or civil war in Canada. Do you see how absurd that is?

                I don't doubt that the US has a few guys in Ukraine and that Russia has a few guys in Canada, but any effect they might have on the events in Ukraine/Canada is extremely marginal compared to the country that shares a large border, culture, and history.
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