IDF transitions to Tavor

[Minskaya]

According to the Maariv website NRG, the IDF (active and reserve forces) will replace all M-16s with the Israeli made Tavor assault rifle. The impetus is standard weapon uniformity coupled with urban combat considerations. The full transition is expected to take up to two years.

IMI Tavor TAR-21 - Wikipedia


Dammit. I really like my M-4.

[bigross86]

I worked hard to get my M-4. I shot the Tavor exactly once, and it was amazingly fun. I would love to get my hands on a Tavor for some real range time.

[Doktor]

Looks really compact and suitable for close range or in buildings.

Wonder how much time it would take for training and adaptation. 2 years switch time seems too optimistic, considering IDF's reserve forces size.

That wiki link says our guys have bought some, but needs verification. I will try to find out and if possible to shoot a mag or few.

[Firestorm]

Looks really compact and suitable for close range or in buildings.

The one in the pic is the compact CTAR version I think. There is a regular long barreled version available.



Apparently the guns have become really popular in the Indian Army as well, with many of the special forces units toting them these days.

[Minskaya]

The vid is a bit dated (2007) but it provides a general overview...

Micro TAR-21 (top) and standard TAR-21 (bottom). The IDF will be going with the MTAR-21 as standard issue. The MTAR-21 can have barrel lengths from 10" to 18". Both weapons below have the same barrel length (18") but the MTAR design is lighter and more compact.

[Officer of Engineers]

It still is a friggin 5.56. All these attempts is like re-inventing the stone wheel. Yeah, this might give you a 5% increase in combat effectiveness at a friggin 4000% R&D cost (making a point, not being accurate) just so that Israel (France, UK, Germany, Austria) can say they make their own rifles (at least it's not as bad as the Russian 5.45 and the Chinese 5.8 - another substantial R&D sunk cost with extremely small return over the 5.56).

You want to impress me? Make a phaser rifle damn it.

[Minskaya]

You want to impress me? Make a phaser rifle damn it.

If it were up to me Colonel, we'd all be on horseback with short swords.

[Deltacamelately]

What's the point in going for a 5.56 Standard issue that can't fit a bayonet?
Or is it just for builtup warfare?

[Officer of Engineers]

Get with the times, Major. You don't need a bayonet when you have a light sabre.

[Doktor]

You can't trow the light sabre into enemy's head. I guess.

[Deltacamelately]

Get with the times, Major. You don't need a bayonet when you have a light sabre.

Sir,

The light sabre....well...can't kill the charging horse, while I hold on to me starche of cadbury, out of ammo.

[S2]

I like it. My accuracy always improved dramatically whenever I tucked my chin tight to the charging handle on the M-16. This weapon does the same thing. In fact, it forces such. You really have no option. The barrel on the extended version probably isn't any shorter than the M-16 nor any shorter than the M-4 on the compact version by moving the bolt assembly and receiver group back into the weapon's butt.

It'll unquestionably see combat soon. Israel will quickly know if this weapon performs as intended.

[lemontree]

What's the point in going for a 5.56 Standard issue that can't fit a bayonet?
Or is it just for builtup warfare?

Get used to the Khukri charge...lol.
Apart from the Gurkhas, the Nagas, Assamese, Garhwali and Kumaonis all have the Khukri or Dah as a side arm.

[lemontree]

It'll unquestionably see combat soon. Israel will quickly know if this weapon performs as intended.

The Tavor has seen tons of action in J&K. Our SF battalions seem to love the weapon.

[Triple C]

Why the MTAR? The 20-in. barrel version is already as short as a CAR-15 without losing muzzle velocity and rarely does anyone complain about the excess length of a CAR-15 in the US.