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Originally posted by cdude View PostIf you don't like our passports, you will like our surveillance ships, maybe?
Patrols in Hainan get more clout |Politics |chinadaily.com.cn
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Did someone say "massive China bashing"? I thought it's called "weekday".
Originally posted by hanswu25 View PostTerritorial water is limited within 12nm from shore. If China plans to board and arrest foreign ship outside that zone, in China's EEZ, it will seriously violate freedom of navigation. It would be a perfect excuse for a massive China bashing on media front. It could be even worse than the case of USS Impeccable.
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For those who don't follow the story: Paracel, Spratly islands and its adjacent water are incorporated into what so called Sansha city and under the administration of Hainan province government and Hainan police. China considers those its historical territorial land and water.
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These island land grabs would be humorous if it didn't have the potential to turn deadly.
Apparently, geographic proximity means nothing. All a nation needs to do is say the word "tradition" as in "A long time ago, we had fishermen in those waters; therefore, they are ours." Ignore those Malaysian and Philippino fishermen that have been there for 4,000 years...
I think the USA should claim Barbados. And Bonaire. Great scuba, especially on Bonaire.
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Like all the colonies that imperial powers used to own all over the world. Oh I forgot that is history. How about all those pacific islands, that is OK as long as it is a western powers. They can grab all the land they want and play moral high ground.
Barbaric Qing to Commies to Imperial Chinese. What is next?Last edited by kyli; 30 Nov 12,, 18:16.
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Originally posted by Chogy View PostThese island land grabs would be humorous if it didn't have the potential to turn deadly.
Apparently, geographic proximity means nothing. All a nation needs to do is say the word "tradition" as in "A long time ago, we had fishermen in those waters; therefore, they are ours." Ignore those Malaysian and Philippino fishermen that have been there for 4,000 years...
I think the USA should claim Barbados. And Bonaire. Great scuba, especially on Bonaire.
By the way doesn't Hawaii, being our 50th state, extend our EEZ out 200 miles from California to now 200 miles west of Hawaii? Wait a second doesn't Midway extend our EEZ out 200 miles past it? No wait, doesn't Guam extend our EEZ out 200 miles to the west of it? Damn, we sure have a lot of free loaders in our Pacific Ocean.
You see this ridiculous game could have no end if one starts to play like I did above. Right now I see China playing the game it accused everybody in the past of... Imperialism and hegemony. As one pointed out before the economic gains would never out weigh the costs of military and political confrontations. The Chinese government is simply being stupid, and for once, shortsighted as to the long term implications.
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Originally posted by kyli View PostLike all the colonies that imperial powers used to own all over the world. Oh I forgot that is history. How about all those pacific islands, that is OK as long as it is a western powers. They can grab all the land they want and play moral high ground.
Having missed the first round of acquisitions in the late 1800's is it now ok to use overwhelming might in 2012 to make up for lost time?
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Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostI'm confused? Is it 1880 or 2012 right now?
Having missed the first round of acquisitions in the late 1800's is it now ok to use overwhelming might in 2012 to make up for lost time?
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Originally posted by kyli View PostRight it is history, but what give you the damn moral high ground to act like a saint when you and many other western powers still control many of islands all over the globe.
By the way since you keep throwing this out there why don't you name all those islands around the world that western nations still control. You keep making a blanket statement to give you cover for what is happening in a modern era which you are conveniently ignoring. So start your list controlling nation by controlling nation. Oh, and you just need to list the true islands, taken by force, and not rocks, with barnacles, masquerading as islands.
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