The Arrow making a comeback?

[Doktor]

Bah, humbug. Hand-egg is the most brutal mass sport in existence; it's the only one that requires body armour!!!!

What about Hockey?

[Rocket City]

[Albany Rifles]

What about Hockey?

I was actually going to go to hockey (my favorite) but since that only applies to a dozen states while football is all over.

[YellowFever]

AR, any good point you might make immediately becomes irrelevent once people find out you're a Patriots fan.

[jlvfr]

the reason why Americans grow up playing soccer as little kids and then switching to football in high school?

Well, at that age puberty usually hits and, you know, I guess if the testicles don't distend then they play soccer or are cheerleaders!

You sure it's not "puberty hits, all reason is gone, so the play neandert... I mean football"? ;)

[Albany Rifles]

AR, any good point you might make immediately becomes irrelevent once people find out you're a Patriots fan.

And your team is who?

[Albany Rifles]

You sure it's not "puberty hits, all reason is gone, so the play neandert... I mean football"? ;)

Yeah I am.

[jlvfr]

What about Hockey?

I said "mass sport". I'm guessing ice hockey has fewer fans than hand-egg ;)

Besides, they don't actually try to ram each other...

[YellowFever]

And your team is who?

And why would I tell you that and throw away the only tactical advantage I have over you?

I can always go to the "The Patriots, Bruins and Celtics all suck" card when I can't think of anything to say?

[JRT]

If they built this today - it would probably have modern engines and avionics - so it wouldn't really be a 50 yo aircraft. It would still take some upgrades and substantial redesign to refresh these aspects of the aircraft. If Canada needs an interceptor - why buy an expensive multi role attack aircraft like F35? What about some F-16's?

Do we still have any of the old McDonnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II in storage?

Sell them to Canada. Convert them to cash. Maybe trade for Canadian oil.

Upgrade the J79-GE-17 engines to pair of new F100-PW-229 (F-15 Silent Eagle), slightly smaller, lighter, more efficient, and dry thrust is essentially same as J79-GE-17 on after burner. Would that point toward a super-cruise capability?

No, I am not being serious. Just playing with a what-if.


Below copied from Wikipedia, where convenience trumps credibility.

General Electric J79-GE-17

General characteristics

Type: Afterburning turbojet engine

Length: 17.4 ft (5.3 m)

Diameter: 3.2 ft (1.0 m)

Dry weight: 3,850 lb (1,750 kg)

ComponentsCompressor: 17-stage axial compressor with variable stator vanes

Combustors: cannular

Turbine: 3-stage

PerformanceMaximum thrust:
11,905 lbf (52.9 kN) dry
17,835 lbf (79.3 kN) with afterburner

Overall pressure ratio: 13.5:1

Turbine inlet temperature: 1,710 °F (932 °C)

Specific fuel consumption:
1.965 lb/(h·lbf) (200 kg/(h·kN)) with afterburner
0.85 lb/(h·lbf) (87 kg/(h·kN)) at military thrust

Thrust-to-weight ratio: 4.6:1 (45.4 N/kg)

Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229

General characteristics

Type: Afterburning turbofan

Length: 191 in (4.851 m)

Diameter: 34.8 in (0.884 m) inlet, 46.5 in (1,181 mm) maximum external

Dry weight: 3,740 lb (1,696 kg)

ComponentsCompressor: Dual Spool Axial compressor with 3 fan and 10 compressor stages

Bypass ratio: 0.36:1

Combustors: annular

Turbine: 2 low-pressure and 2 high-pressure stages

PerformanceMaximum thrust:
17,800 lbf (79.1 kN) military thrust
29,160 lbf (129.6 kN) with afterburner

Overall pressure ratio: 32:1

Turbine inlet temperature: 2,460 °F (1,349 °C)[5]

Specific fuel consumption:
Military thrust: 0.76 lb/(lbf·h) (77.5 kg/(kN·h))
Full afterburner: 1.94 lb/(lbf·h) (197.8 kg/(kN·h))

Thrust-to-weight ratio: 7.8:1

McDonnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II

General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 63 ft 0 in (19.2 m)
Wingspan: 38 ft 4.5 in (11.7 m)
Height: 16 ft 6 in (5.0 m)
Wing area: 530.0 ft² (49.2 m²)
Airfoil: NACA 0006.4–64 root, NACA 0003-64 tip
Empty weight: 30,328 lb (13,757 kg)
Loaded weight: 41,500 lb (18,825 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 61,795 lb (28,030 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × General Electric J79-GE-17A axial compressor turbojets, 11,905 lbf dry thrust (52.9 kN), 17,845 lbf in afterburner (79.4 kN) each
Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0224
Drag area: 11.87 ft² (1.10 m²)
Aspect ratio: 2.77
Fuel capacity: 1,994 U.S. gal (7,549 L) internal, 3,335 U.S. gal (12,627 L) with three external tanks (370 U.S. gal (1,420 L) tanks on the outer wing hardpoints and either a 600 or 610 U.S. gal (2,310 or 2,345 L) tank for the centerline station).
Maximum landing weight: 36,831 lb (16,706 kg)


Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2.23 (1,472 mph, 2,370 km/h) at 40,000 ft (12,190 m)
Cruise speed: 506 kn (585 mph, 940 km/h)
Combat radius: 367 nmi (422 mi, 680 km)
Ferry range: 1,403 nmi (1,615 mi, 2,600 km) with 3 external fuel tanks
Service ceiling: 60,000 ft (18,300 m)
Rate of climb: 41,300 ft/min (210 m/s)
Wing loading: 78 lb/ft² (383 kg/m²)
lift-to-drag: 8.58
Thrust/weight: 0.86 at loaded weight, 0.58 at MTOW
Takeoff roll: 4,490 ft (1,370 m) at 53,814 lb (24,410 kg)
Landing roll: 3,680 ft (1,120 m) at 36,831 lb (16,706 kg)


Armament

Up to 18,650 lb (8,480 kg) of weapons on nine external hardpoints, including general purpose bombs, cluster bombs, TV- and laser-guided bombs, rocket pods (UK Phantoms 6 × Matra rocket pods with 18 × SNEB 68 mm rockets each), air-to-ground missiles, anti-runway weapons, anti-ship missiles, targeting pods, reconnaissance pods, and nuclear weapons. Baggage pods and external fuel tanks may also be carried.
4× AIM-7 Sparrow in fuselage recesses plus 4 × AIM-9 Sidewinders on wing pylons; upgraded Hellenic F-4E and German F-4F ICE carry AIM-120 AMRAAM, Japanese F-4EJ Kai carry AAM-3, Hellenic F-4E will carry IRIS-T in future. Iranian F-4s could potentially carry Russian and Chinese missiles. UK Phantoms carried Skyflash missiles[120]
1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61 Vulcan 6-barreled gatling cannon, 640 rounds
4× AIM-9 Sidewinder, Python-3 (F-4 Kurnass 2000), IRIS-T (F-4E AUP Hellenic Air Force)
4× AIM-7 Sparrow, AAM-3(F-4EJ Kai)
4× AIM-120 AMRAAM for F-4F ICE, F-4E AUP (Hellenic Air Force)
6× AGM-65 Maverick
4× AGM-62 Walleye
4× AGM-45 Shrike, AGM-88 HARM, AGM-78 Standard ARM
4× GBU-15
18× Mk.82, GBU-12
5× Mk.84, GBU-10, GBU-14
18× CBU-87, CBU-89, CBU-58
Nuclear weapons, including the B28EX, B61, B43 and B57

[Jimmy]

We're too busy converting them all into debris over the Gulf of Mexico.

What about Hockey?

The most cringe-inducing thing I've ever seen in sports is the Clint Malarchuk hockey injury. Don't watch it around kids, but he DID survive and actually came back to play after recovery.

[Gun Grape]

Do we still have any of the old McDonnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II in storage?

They fly out of Tyndall AFB just about every day. They are called "Moving Targets" QF-4s

May be running out of them in storage. TAFB is getting QF-16s soon

[Gun Grape]

We're too busy converting them all into debris over the Gulf of Mexico.

Like this. Every once in a while local shrimpers will catch a piece of whats left in their nets. I wonder what the budget at Tyndall is for net replacement?

[S2]

YellowFever Reply

"I can always go to the "The Patriots, Bruins and Celtics all suck" card when I can't think of anything to say?"

Why would you exclude the Red Sox? They really DO suck.

[Jimmy]

Sox fans are well aware of that fact. The other teams' fans are still stuck in their delusions.