Pole shift ?

[tankie]

Can anyone explain this , the moon is actually changing positions or is the earth going through pole shift ?

Discovery of strange change in our Moon in this March and April Videos Comparison 2012 - YouTube

[dalem]

Dunno. I'm not a Moon guy and that's a very shaky image. There's always a little wobble to everything revolving though, I know that.

-dale

[tankie]

The earth revolves , the moon is allegedly static , the 2 time periods show shift , either its the moon or we are which is why the Q was , pole shift Dalem , are we which could answer the weird weather patterns the planet is going through .?? its a shaky vid for sure but there is in one month some big differences .



Enter Ooe :wors:

[Doktor]

The moon is not static tankie. It's going away from the Earth.

[Chogy]

From the beginning of man, the face the moon shows to earth has been completely static. All of the drawings that go back hundreds of years of craters and the like have been consistent.

As for the pole shift thing, my understanding is that it has happened in the past, but it deals ONLY with the magnetic field of the Earth, and has nothing to do with the continents. Magnetic North of course has nothing to do with the North pole of Earth's rotation, and is a significant distance away. Even in my geologically microscopic aviation career, magnetic North has moved, and every few years, airport runways need to be renamed because they are aligned with magnetic rather than true North.

For example, runway 17 (oriented at, say 173 degrees magnetic North) might become runway 18 when it's orientation becomes 177 degrees due to the movement of magnetic north.

Somehow, people think "pole shift" means the Earth tumbles or continents themselves move wildly over a short period of time. This seems quite impossible, as the energy of the rotation of such an unimaginable mass also has an unimaginable inertia, and sudden movement would simply tear the crust apart. I think it'd kill everything on Earth.

Remember, it is only this inertia of rotation that has kept the Earth rotating as it has for 4 billion years. Orbital mechanics and tides tend to slow rotation. Mercury and our own moon have lost their rotation and become tidally locked. The Earth itself has slowed a bit. Actually, quite a bit according to this snippet:

The earth was spinning faster in the past the reason it is slowing down is due to the influence of the moon which is moving away at 3cms per year and the earth's year is increasing by about 1.2 milliseconds a year. One well known indicator is the daily and yearly growth rings on rugose coral fossils. One group of fossils had been dated as 370 million years old, using radiometric analysis. Analysis of their growth rings indicated that there were about 425 days in each year when the coral was alive. This means that each day was only about 20.6 hours long when the coral was alive. As we go back in time, if we assume that the deceleration rate was constant at its present rate, a day would have shortened by about 11 microseconds each year. This would be 1.1 hours over 370 million years. One would have expected a 23 hour day if the corals were 370 million years old..

Using the stomatolite at Zhoukoudian, Beijing, China. It is a sedimentary structure mainly composed of blue-green algae which has formed "bright and dark laminas." They show yearly patterns much like rings in trees. They found that one billion years ago, a year was composed of about 516 days. Each day would have been on the order of 17 hours long.

The International Society for Astrological Research (ISAR) estimates the length of a day as about six hours, at a time 4 billion years ago.
An article in a popular Canadian newspaper column on astronomy estimates the length of a day at five hours some four billion years ago.
Still another article says that "Most scientists believe that the earth's rotation rate was originally an 8-hour day....A rotation rate of 8 hours would not cause a huge bulge at the Earth's equator. Even if the rate were much higher, any bulge formed at that time would have disappeared within the last 4.5 billion years due to tectonic activity."

Awesome... an 8 hour "day." That means We'd only have to work 2 to 3 hours a day. Unfortunately, we'd only get to sleep 2 or 3 hours as well!

[tankie]

Cheers for that Chogy ,you megaladom of info you :wors:,, so what is the explanation for the shift in the moons craters which murky or not shows bright crater area shift , anyone can answer if they wish :)

Dok at how many cm per year is it going away ,app 3 cms, and WHY , what gravitational field is pulling it away from Earth , it does not spin or tilt , or shouldnt , as shown in the vid

I am seriously wishing to know WTF is going on :bang:

[dave lukins]

Cheers for that Chogy ,you megaladom of info you :wors:,, so what is the explanation for the shift in the moons craters which murky or not shows bright crater area shift , anyone can answer if they wish :)

Dok at how many cm per year is it going away , and WHY , what gravitational field is pulling it away from Earth , it does not spin or tilt , or shouldnt , as shown in the vid

I am seriously wishing to know WTF is going on :bang:

If you was the moon would you want to stay close to this crazy planet? It's trying to escape and who could blame it

[Doktor]

If you was the moon would you want to stay close to this crazy planet? It's trying to escape and who could blame it

Enough is enough!

However, tankie would stay. Nowhere in the known universe there is stock of alcohol like on this tine little rock.

[Chogy]

All I'm doing is regurgitating stuff from the Discovery channel.

Let's do some math... ;)

3cm per year for the moon. That means back when Socrates was drinking hemlock, the moon was 90 meters closer to the Earth. Velociraptors looked at a moon which was 240 km (150 miles) closer, less than 0.1% difference than it is today, assuming the 3cm/year is constant, which it probably wasn't.

"They" (scientists) think that when the moon was formed, it was super close, like those fake paintings showing an enormous moon rising over a forest with a howling wolf in the foreground. Being so close, it created enormous tides; they calculated the tides were a wall of water a mile high, rolling back and forth across the oceans, and inundating dry land for dozens or hundreds of miles each pass. Of course, that was all back long before there was any life at all.

The moon moves away because it is losing energy, and that energy is what moves our tides. Think about it, the moon is moving multiple gigatons of seawater back and forth, over and over. The energy has to come from somewhere, and that is from the kinetic energy of the moon. As to why it moves away and not closer, someone who knows orbital mechanics needs to answer that, because I always thought orbits decayed, didn't get larger.

At the same time, the Earth's rotation is slowing because of the moon, and because of tidal pull vs. the Sun. The Earth a billion years from now is going to be very, very different. We'd better be among the stars by then, or we're toast.

Tankie, I don't know what that video purports to show, but if the moon is rotating somehow, it'd be the biggest science story of all time. Movement at all on or of the EARTH does nothing (or very, very little) with regards to what we'd see looking at the moon. In other words, the moon looks the same whether you're in Alaska, or Indonesia.

[Doktor]

Chogy,

From some documentary (could be Discovery) I have watched, the moon also somehow keep our rotation center in place, the farther it goes rotation center of the Earth wanes (or something to that extend).

As for why ot goes away and not closer, there are two forces when spinning, centrifugal and centripetal. What happenes with the moon is the same as with your cloths when in the washing machine

[Chogy]

As for why ot goes away and not closer, there are two forces when spinning, centrifugal and centripetal. What happenes with the moon is the same as with your cloths when in the washing machine

But then why do satellites decay orbitally by falling inwards to the Earth? Their orbits don't get bigger until they are eventually tossed off into the solar system, right?

Found the answer. I should have done this earlier. Basically, it has to do with the ocean's tides, and the fact that the Earth's gravity as a result of tidal displacement is changed.

Because the Earth rotates faster (once every 24 hours) than the Moon orbits (once every 27.3 days) the (tidal) bulge tries to "speed up" the Moon, and pull it ahead in its orbit. The Moon is also pulling back on the tidal bulge of the Earth, slowing the Earth's rotation. Tidal friction, caused by the movement of the tidal bulge around the Earth, takes energy out of the Earth and puts it into the Moon's orbit, making the Moon's orbit bigger (but, a bit pardoxically, the Moon actually moves slower!).

Cool stuff, explains Earth's slowing rotation as well

[dalem]

Essentially, the moon moves further away from the Earth due to the conservation of angular momentum.

-dale

[tankie]

All I'm doing is regurgitating stuff from the Discovery channel.

Let's do some math... ;)

3cm per year for the moon. That means back when Socrates was drinking hemlock, the moon was 90 meters closer to the Earth. Velociraptors looked at a moon which was 240 km (150 miles) closer, less than 0.1% difference than it is today, assuming the 3cm/year is constant, which it probably wasn't.

"They" (scientists) think that when the moon was formed, it was super close, like those fake paintings showing an enormous moon rising over a forest with a howling wolf in the foreground. Being so close, it created enormous tides; they calculated the tides were a wall of water a mile high, rolling back and forth across the oceans, and inundating dry land for dozens or hundreds of miles each pass. Of course, that was all back long before there was any life at all.

The moon moves away because it is losing energy, and that energy is what moves our tides. Think about it, the moon is moving multiple gigatons of seawater back and forth, over and over. The energy has to come from somewhere, and that is from the kinetic energy of the moon. As to why it moves away and not closer, someone who knows orbital mechanics needs to answer that, because I always thought orbits decayed, didn't get larger.

At the same time, the Earth's rotation is slowing because of the moon, and because of tidal pull vs. the Sun. The Earth a billion years from now is going to be very, very different. We'd better be among the stars by then, or we're toast.

Tankie, I don't know what that video purports to show, but if the moon is rotating somehow, it'd be the biggest science story of all time. Movement at all on or of the EARTH does nothing (or very, very little) with regards to what we'd see looking at the moon. In other words, the moon looks the same whether you're in Alaska, or Indonesia.

It shows a crater which is very bright at the 5 o.clock pos , a month later the same crater is at 3 o,clock pos ?? how can this be ???

[tankie]

But then why do satellites decay orbitally by falling inwards to the Earth? Their orbits don't get bigger until they are eventually tossed off into the solar system, right?

Found the answer. I should have done this earlier. Basically, it has to do with the ocean's tides, and the fact that the Earth's gravity as a result of tidal displacement is changed.



Cool stuff, explains Earth's slowing rotation as well

Disgusting ,

[gunnut]

The moon moves away because it is losing energy, and that energy is what moves our tides. Think about it, the moon is moving multiple gigatons of seawater back and forth, over and over. The energy has to come from somewhere, and that is from the kinetic energy of the moon. As to why it moves away and not closer, someone who knows orbital mechanics needs to answer that, because I always thought orbits decayed, didn't get larger.

Sir, the moon is moving away from earth because it carries too much energy. Orbits decay (I assume you mean our artificial satellites) due to their friction with air. Most satellites are too low to be completely free of the atmosphere. Think about it, what is "escape velocity?" It's the speed to break free of the gravitational pull of a body. A velocity higher than that will break free. A velocity lower than that will not. Moon has just slightly higher velocity than the escape velocity of earth.

Tankie, I don't know what that video purports to show, but if the moon is rotating somehow, it'd be the biggest science story of all time. Movement at all on or of the EARTH does nothing (or very, very little) with regards to what we'd see looking at the moon. In other words, the moon looks the same whether you're in Alaska, or Indonesia.

Moon's rotation period is the same as its revolution period, 28 days. Supposedly the moon's center of mass is slightly off center. After a few billion years of the earth's gravity tugging on it, the moon's rotation slowed down so the center of mass is always closest to the earth. At least, that's the theory.