Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
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Isareli Nuclear Weapons: Existence & Capability
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What? Hitesh, slow down. Pakistan is the only Muslim ruled nuclear weapons power, even she is incapable of a decapitating first strike against Israel. The only two powers capable of taking out the Israeli nuclear force (and not break a sweat) are the US and Russia.
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You are misreading me. I am not talking about a decapitating first strike against Israel. I am talking about retaliation. After a Israel nuke strike, retaliation will occur if not immediately but it will occur. Israel just won't know when and when that occurs, it would only require 5 to 15 nukes to decapitate Israel.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostYou are misreading me. I am not talking about a decapitating first strike against Israel. I am talking about retaliation. After a Israel nuke strike, retaliation will occur if not immediately but it will occur.
It would be defensive. When they are on the verge of falling.
In fact Israel should not need to use them at all if their deterrence is intact.
So this payback scenario you mention will not arise.Last edited by Double Edge; 07 Aug 12,, 18:52.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostYou are misreading me.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostAsk yourself why Israel would resort to nukes in the first place.
It would be defensive. When they are on the verge of falling.
In fact Israel should not need to use them at all if their deterrence is intact.
So this payback scenario you mention will not arise.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostYou mean like Syria?
Why would you need DOLPHINs with nukes? Who in the area could threaten the Israeli nuclear forces?
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostYou are not reading the situation right. What I said that Israel cannot create or start a conflict that it knows that in the end it would have no choice but to use nukes as retaliation. For instance, attacking Iran and provoking a reaction from Iran that causes Israel to respond with nukes.
The underlined bit is impossible for Iran to achieve.Last edited by Double Edge; 08 Aug 12,, 00:46.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostAnd you are not reading me. There is absolutely no reason for Israel to have a sea based deterrent against her Arab neighbours. None of her neighbours are a threat to her nuclear force. So, what need is there for a nuke based SLCM force?
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostNeither is capable of a counter-force 1st strike. In fact, I strongly doubt either could take out the Israeli nuclear arsenal ... if they could even pin point them.
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In addtion to what Z said.
Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostAnd you are not reading me. There is absolutely no reason for Israel to have a sea based deterrent against her Arab neighbours. None of her neighbours are a threat to her nuclear force. So, what need is there for a nuke based SLCM force?
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Originally posted by zraver View PostIsrael isn't worried about counter force, but in assuring the death of as many millions of her attackers civilian populations as possible if one of them tries to finish the Holocaust. Israel is the only nuclear power that literally faces the prospect of extermination by WMD. A Fukishima scale nuclear emergency in Israel could depopulate the entire region depending on the winds. Syrian chemical weapons could not only kill tens of thousands, but if the winds were right, wipe out the pollinators Israeli agriculture depends on and leave the land barren.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostJason, you're not reading me. What could either Iran or Pakistan do to stop an Israeli SSM nuclear strike? And what could either do with a 20 minute warning window? Cruise missiles ain't going to travel as fast as SSMs.
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