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    Everybody there is against IS already. They would do a good job without the US there.
    When the New Axis of Evil got the chance (after pummeling the FSA/AQ/MB) they went after ISIS in a big way, they are conducting anti-ISIS operations now, letting those gimcrack nations foot the bill for it (in money and lives) might not be the worst thing.

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    Well I am still unsure what to tell my family... One minute Trumpkin tells the world they are finished (because he was going to after real hard remember) but the next minute he and you tell me they are still there? Is the 'mission accomplished' true or not? Make up your mind.
    As a territorial entity they are finished at the present, time to go.

    Brave and bold decision to leave: America isn't cutting Russia/Iran off from access to Syria, Assad's rule is safe for now, America isn't going to rebuild that corner of Syria, there is a budding anti-PKK insurgency and protest movements, and the PKK is toxic.

    What are you saying? Is there really no public debate under the Tsar Putin? This could be deemed as criticising the authorities for which there are severe penalties. .
    Yawn.

    Do you think it is right to leave your allies to be murdered? I mean that not as a policy question but as a human one
    1. The PKK isn't an an ally, we have used them as auxiliaries (co-belligerents) and they have used the US for money, protection, and weapons. It was a transaction based relationship which is ending.
    2. Murder is a legal term. The Turkish military killing armed PKK members and striking PKK infrastructure isn't necessarily murder.
    3. The PKK is a terrorist group which sets off bombs in markets, uses suicide bombers, is making use of terror in Syria to keep itself in power, has fought shoulder to shoulder with the Axis (Russia provided them CAS), is facing a non-ISIS insurgency, and is the sworn enemy of our testy ally Turkey. Their response to finding out that yes America can and will get the hell out of this morass has been to screech that America owes them protection, for all time, and going to the Axis to make a deal based on the much stronger position American support allowed them to carve out.

    So is everything until it happens.
    Hot take: In my lifetime Syrian Su-22s will not bomb US cities. Ending American protection for a Communist Ethno-nationalist terrorist group isn't going to put us at the mercy of the "Fitter threat."

    Apart from the Kurds and the Brits and French not trusting them.
    The PKK, a terrorist group. You keep making the mistake by conflating the two.

    France has said it is staying. I expect the Brits will do the same but that could mean withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan.
    Well then let France find two thousand troops to put between themselves and Turkey so as to protect PKK repression of the locals (much of the area isn't Kurdish majority and the PKK has used violence to suppress protests) and the sale of fuel/food to the Assad government. Of course France won't step up and actually replace the United States and protect the PKK from the Turkish Republic, but it sure sounded good.

    Now you have fundamentally lost the plot. No country can stand alone. The more alliances you have the better.
    Only if they are useful alliances with useful nations. Deploying troops to protect a terrorist group (under US law), operating in a remote corner of Syria, from the second largest military in NATO so they can do business and make nice with Assad is stupid. The more "accomplished gangs of thieves", free riders, trouble makers, and terrorist groups the US doesn't have to protect the better.

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    Neo-con and lib-interventionist writers had called at times for the US to push the PKK to the side and support Arab Islamists, leaving in this particular manner (with the PKK in control of territory populated mainly by Arabs which controls what little petrol Syria has) at least gives the PKK a bargaining position.
    Let down by U.S., Syrian Kurdish leaders look to Russia and Assad
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    BEIRUT (Reuters) - Alarmed by a U.S. decision to leave Syria, Kurdish leaders who run much of the north are urging Russia and its ally Damascus to send forces to shield the border from the threat of a Turkish offensive.
    FILE PHOTO: Syria Democratic Forces (SDF) fighters walk on the rubble of damaged shops and buildings in the city of Manbij, in Aleppo Governorate, Syria, August 10, 2016. REUTERS/Rodi Said/File Photo

    Their call for a return of Syrian government forces to the border, which Kurdish fighters have held for years, points to the depth of their crisis in the wake of U.S. President Donald Trump’s abrupt decision to withdraw forces.

    While little has changed on the ground yet - U.S. forces are still deployed and Trump says the pullout will be slow - Kurdish officials are scrambling for a strategy to protect their region from Turkey before the United States leaves.

    Talks with Damascus and Moscow appear to be the focus for the Kurdish leadership. Their worst fear is a repeat of a Turkish attack that drove Kurdish residents and the YPG militia out of Afrin city in the northwest earlier this year.

    They are also trying to convince other Western countries to fill the vacuum when Washington withdraws some 2,000 troops whose presence in northern and eastern Syria has deterred Turkey so far.

    The territory at stake spans about a quarter of Syria, most of it east of the Euphrates River, controlled by the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), an umbrella group dominated by the Kurdish YPG. The area borders Iraq to the east and includes three major cities - Qamishli, Hasaka and Raqqa.

    (Syria areas of control: tmsnrt.rs/2RgCxxb)

    The SDF has been Washington’s main Syrian partner in the fight with Islamic State, but Turkey views the YPG fighters that form its backbone as a threat and has vowed to crush them.

    Officials from northern Syria, who went to Moscow last week, will soon make another trip, hoping Russia will push Damascus to “fulfill its sovereign duty”, top Kurdish politician Aldar Xelil told Reuters.

    “Our contacts with Russia, and the regime, are to look for clear mechanisms to protect the northern border,” said Xelil, an architect of autonomy plans in northern Syria. “We want Russia to play an important role to achieve stability.”
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    Although the autonomy they seek is at odds with Damascus, Kurdish forces have largely avoided direct conflict with the government during the war, at times even fighting common foes. They held political talks this summer that went nowhere.

    But with their negotiating position severely weakened by Trump’s move, Kurdish authorities may be in a race against time to cut a deal as Turkey threatens to launch its offensive east of the Euphrates River.

    Turkey views the YPG as an extension of the outlawed Kurdish PKK movement which has been waging a 34-year-long insurgency in southeastern Turkey. Ankara has drawn on Syrian rebel proxies to help fight the YPG in the north.
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    In Turkey’s last assault in Afrin earlier this year, the SDF felt let down by Russia, believing it had given assurances that Turkey would not attack the region.

    Turkey-backed Syrian rebels say they have been mobilizing to launch the next offensive, with their first target the town of Manbij that borders the territory under their control.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKCN1OQ18E
    Last edited by troung; 28 Dec 18, at 05:17.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    More BS. As if the Saudi's are going to spend anything for the Assad regime so deeply in hoc to Iran.
    Its credible. Read this

    and https://www.trtworld.com/mea/why-is-...f-the-us-22837
    Last edited by Double Edge; 28 Dec 18, at 04:15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Easier to squeeze the Saudis these days

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    Or not

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/saud...ild-syria.html


    An official at the Saudi embassy in Washington told CNBC that the kingdom has not made any major new financial pledge to Syria since August. That is when the State Department announced that Saudi Arabia had committed $100 million to a fund to stabilize areas of Syria liberated from ISIS militants by a U.S.-led coalition.
    Damn it. Listen to what I mean to say not what I tweet

    On Wednesday, the White House clarified that Trump’s tweet was not meant to announce a new commitment from Saudi Arabia.
    Its called Tourist Season. So why can't we shoot them?

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    ^Saudis & Emiratis along with Qataris on the opposing side were the ones that started this war.

    Course Assad's initial actions weren't entirely sensible and things just built up from there.

    I've seen that CNBC report. I'm willing to give this some time whether to see if any more commitments from the Saudis show up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by troung View Post
    When the New Axis of Evil got the chance (after pummeling the FSA/AQ/MB) they went after ISIS in a big way, they are conducting anti-ISIS operations now, letting those gimcrack nations foot the bill for it (in money and lives) might not be the worst thing.

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    Since i can't figure why the US went to Syria in the first place i'm not immediately seeing a problem with this withdrawal.

    Fighting along side Iran was a head spinner too.

    One minute say Assad has to go and the next fight in his interest.

    US involvement with Syria was shady to begin with. The story in 2012 was the west wasn't going to provide lethal support because that would just proliferate arms to the bad guys what with Libya and all. Columints in my country at the time who visited Syria were saying the US was doing exactly that. Providing lethal support.

    Then you posted an article couple years later confirming what these columnists said earlier.

    So a lot of dodgy business going on for not much gain or even clear objective.

    Yes, wanted to overthrow Assad but also don't want to overthrow him.

    I credit the Russians for keeping Syria together. Things would have been worse had they not gone in to the extent they did.
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    DECEMBER 28, 2018 / 3:43 AM / UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
    Syrian army deploys to Manbij after Kurdish calls to deter Turkey
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...rce=reddit.com

    BEIRUT (Reuters) - The Syrian army said it had deployed forces to Manbij in northwest Syria on Friday, after the Kurdish YPG militia urged Damascus to protect the town from the threat of Turkish attacks.

    A resident said the forces had not entered the town, where U.S. troops operate and have a military base. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a British-based monitoring group, said the government forces were stationed out the outskirts, between the town and territory under Turkish influence.

    U.S. President Donald Trump’s abrupt decision to withdraw troops from Syria has alarmed the Kurdish-led fighters who have fought Islamic State alongside them for years.

    Kurdish leaders are scrambling for a strategy to protect their region stretching across the north and east, where the presence of some 2,000 U.S. troops has so far deterred an incursion by Turkey, which deems the YPG a threat to its own territory and has vowed to crush it.

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    A deployment of government forces, backed by Russia, is likely to have a similar effect.

    With the YPG at its forefront, the Syrian Democratic Forces alliance (SDF) seized Manbij in 2016 from Islamic State, a milestone in the U.S.-backed battle against the jihadists.

    The town is held by the Manbij Military Council, fighters allied to the SDF, and abuts territory held by Turkish-backed Syrian rebels who have been mobilising for an assault.

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    DECEMBER 28, 2018 / 6:50 AM / UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
    Erdogan says Turkey has no business in Syria's Manbij if YPG militia leaves
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...rce=reddit.com
    ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey will have nothing left to do in the Syrian town of Manbij once “terrorist organizations” leave the area, President Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday, hours after the Syrian army said it had entered the town.

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    Turkey has threatened an assault on Manbij to drive out the Kurdish YPG militia, which it regards as a terrorist group. Erdogan signaled on Friday that Turkey was not in a hurry to carry out the operation.


    “In the current situation, we are still supporting the integrity of Syrian soil. These areas belong to Syria. Once the terrorist organizations leave the area, we will have nothing left to do there,” Erdogan told reporters after Friday prayers in Istanbul.

    Earlier on Friday, the Syrian army said it had entered Manbij for the first time in years, after the YPG urged Damascus to protect the town from the threat of Turkish attacks.

    “It’s not just about Manbij, we are aiming to wipe out all terrorist organizations in the region. Our main target is that the YPG takes the necessary lesson here,” Erdogan said
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    so yeah, about that withdrawal...guess not so much now.
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    If chickenhawk supremo Bolton gets fired over the latest mess in the sorry Syrian saga, then I guess some good did come out of this whole withdrawal farce.

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