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    Israeli arrogance is astounding. They're not saying that Trump made stupid choices. They're saying US war planners don't know what they're doing. Trump didn't choose the targets. The Pentagon did and they chosed targets that didn't matter if the Syrians had forewarning or not. Two factories and a chemical weapons storage. I don't care if that storage is empty or not. That airbase cannot deliver chemical weapons until that depot is rebuilt.

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    The strikes also accomplish a few other things:

    1. They told Russia that the US will not stop strikes on its account.
    2. They showed the world that neither Syria nor Russia can effectively defend against Western air power in Syria.
    3. They are telling Assad that should he try again, bigger strikes are coming.

    That should help keep a lid on the chemical weapons use for a while.

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    Authorisation to use force dates back to 2001 & 2002 where its been reused ever since.



    Executive over reach ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Israeli arrogance is astounding. They're not saying that Trump made stupid choices. They're saying US war planners don't know what they're doing. Trump didn't choose the targets. The Pentagon did and they chosed targets that didn't matter if the Syrians had forewarning or not. Two factories and a chemical weapons storage. I don't care if that storage is empty or not. That airbase cannot deliver chemical weapons until that depot is rebuilt.
    I don't know what you read but I saw this:

    "These officials also criticized President Donald Trump talking about the strikes beforehand.
    The US and allies' strikes on Syria likely didn't change anything on the battlefield, and it's hard to know how much of the chemical weapons stockpile was hit."

    I mean it is something that Trump (rightly in my view) criticised Obama for. When you give them nearly a weeks warning of course they will move what they can. Trump knows it. Question is why did he give them the warning that he said he would never do. The answer is blindingly obvious; the whole purpose of the 'mission' was to make Trumpkin look tough and you suckers are buying it. The OPCW, who the Muscovites said at the weekend would be given access to Douma have not been given access. The sanctions that Nikki Haley spoke of at the UN Trumpkin has refused to impose but no no... Moscow is sweet while Sputnik broadcast simulations of "experts" of nuke landing by the Whitehouse; https://sputniknews.com/us/201804171...d-white-house/ Get your heads out of the sand; Trump is compromised.

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    The actual answer is that Trump's "criticisms" prior to his Presidency were stupid. He also implied we should have launched a sneak attack on Mosul when he heard news reports about the build-up to the 2016 attack. Cause we're going to stealthily move 35,000 troops to attack the biggest damn city in Northern Iraq.

    Why give them warning? Political considerations? The last thing you want to do is blow up some Russians who were out repairing some Syrian aircraft and escalate this way more than we want to. Plus getting the UK and France on board.

    So, I'd disagree with this part:
    I mean it is something that Trump (rightly in my view) criticised Obama for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVChamp View Post
    He also implied we should have launched a sneak attack on Mosul when he heard news reports about the build-up to the 2016 attack. Cause we're going to stealthily move 35,000 troops to attack the biggest damn city in Northern Iraq.
    Hmm... could have commandeered a hundred 747s from Delta, United, American, etc. and had them jump out DB Cooper-style into Mosul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GVChamp View Post
    The actual answer is that Trump's "criticisms" prior to his Presidency were stupid. He also implied we should have launched a sneak attack on Mosul when he heard news reports about the build-up to the 2016 attack. Cause we're going to stealthily move 35,000 troops to attack the biggest damn city in Northern Iraq.

    Why give them warning? Political considerations? The last thing you want to do is blow up some Russians who were out repairing some Syrian aircraft and escalate this way more than we want to. Plus getting the UK and France on board.

    So, I'd disagree with this part:

    I tend to agree with the Israeli advice: "If you want to shoot — shoot, don't talk."

    I would also refer you to Trumpkins tweet: "You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!" In other words if they get in the way tough titties. But of course at same he warned them. Their systems weren't even on. The whole purpose of the mission was to make Trump look tough on Muscovy - it was a PR stunt like everything else he over exaggerates and does. When a guy who says he is not going to give warnings about what he will do - whether you think it wise to or not - very clearly does the opposite it might be worth asking why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    I don't know what you read but I saw this:

    "These officials also criticized President Donald Trump talking about the strikes beforehand.
    The US and allies' strikes on Syria likely didn't change anything on the battlefield, and it's hard to know how much of the chemical weapons stockpile was hit."

    I mean it is something that Trump (rightly in my view) criticised Obama for. When you give them nearly a weeks warning of course they will move what they can. Trump knows it. Question is why did he give them the warning that he said he would never do. The answer is blindingly obvious; the whole purpose of the 'mission' was to make Trumpkin look tough and you suckers are buying it. The OPCW, who the Muscovites said at the weekend would be given access to Douma have not been given access. The sanctions that Nikki Haley spoke of at the UN Trumpkin has refused to impose but no no... Moscow is sweet while Sputnik broadcast simulations of "experts" of nuke landing by the Whitehouse; https://sputniknews.com/us/201804171...d-white-house/ Get your heads out of the sand; Trump is compromised.
    You CANNOT move 2 FACTORIES and a CHEMICAL WEAPONS DEPOT (You know, to make sure they don't leak before they're deliver) in a week! You are seriously deranged in understanding simple facts. THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE THAT TRUMP IS COMPROMISED!

    Your head is the one being buried in cow excrement! What the hell does a model got anything to do with this topic, only your dellusion can answer.
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    You can move what was in them. Nor did I refer to cows or excrement but hey ho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Israeli arrogance is astounding. They're not saying that Trump made stupid choices. They're saying US war planners don't know what they're doing. Trump didn't choose the targets. The Pentagon did and they chosed targets that didn't matter if the Syrians had forewarning or not. Two factories and a chemical weapons storage. I don't care if that storage is empty or not. That airbase cannot deliver chemical weapons until that depot is rebuilt.
    See what Israel said

    "If President Trump had ordered the strike only to show that the US responded to [Syrian President Bashar] Assad's use of chemical weapons, then that goal has been achieved," a senior defense official told Israel's Ynet News. "But if there was another objective — such as paralyzing the ability to launch chemical weapons or deterring Assad from using it again — it's doubtful any of these objectives have been met."

    An intelligence officer who talked to Ynet wasn't as forgiving.

    "The statement of 'Mission Accomplished' and (the assertion) that Assad's ability to use chemical weapons has been fatally hit has no basis," the source said, likely referring to a recent tweet from President Donald Trump.
    A priori there is nothing wrong with this. I don't think I heard in the briefings either by matis or at the Pentagon that these strikes are the be all and end all for chemicals weapons use in Syria. They were supposed to act as a deterrent against further use.

    What happens next is up to Assad.

    He is in an existential fight for survival here and his use of chems is to get the opposition to surrender. They already did in the two areas where the chems were used. Will he use them again if he thinks it will be easier than going street by street then yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    You can move what was in them.
    So what? There will be no new stocks until those factories are rebuilt. There will be no chemical weapons delivery at T4 until that depot is rebuilt. THOSE were the MISSION OBJECTIVES!

    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Nor did I refer to cows or excrement but hey ho.
    Your comprehension is full of it. I'm saying you're posting bullshit. To this day, YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT TRUMP IS COMPROMISED! JUST GIVE US ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE! Not third party rumours. Not your gut feeling. Not your wet dreams. Just GIVE US ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE! You have none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    So what? There will be no new stocks until those factories are rebuilt. There will be no chemical weapons delivery at T4 until that depot is rebuilt. THOSE were the MISSION OBJECTIVES!
    Oh right the same place the Israeli's bombed shortly before - without announcing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Your comprehension is full of it. I'm saying you're posting bullshit. To this day, YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT TRUMP IS COMPROMISED! JUST GIVE US ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE! Not third party rumours. Not your gut feeling. Not your wet dreams. Just GIVE US ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE! You have none.
    Maison L'Amite? Not sure if you know how money laundering works but Trumpkin bought this pad for about $40 (I forget the exact figures offhand) and 3/4yrs later sold it to a Muscovite pal of Putin's for circa $100m. The point with those wanting to launder money is that they will pay over the going rate to get their money 'legit'. Hell Trumps casino admitted money laundering - just nobody asked who's money. Felix 'Sater' and the Trump Soho? You know who Sater's real name? Who his Father is? They are the Muscovite mobsters. Apparently there is evidence that Cohen was indeed in Prague during the election campaign as the Steele dossier said. Trump though threw himself and Cohen under a bus when he said he did not know of Cohen's payment to this Lady of erotica films because if that is the case then Cohen was not acting on Trump's behalf so client confidentiality cannot be claimed... Look Colonel if you cannot put the dots together that is your problem, not mine. Those of who can see the overwhelming case against him cannot make you see what you refuse not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Oh right the same place the Israeli's bombed shortly before - without announcing it?
    So freaking what? As a chemical weapons staging point, it's been killed until that depot is repaired! THAT WAS THE OBJECTIVE.

    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    Maison L'Amite? Not sure if you know how money laundering works but Trumpkin bought this pad for about $40 (I forget the exact figures offhand) and 3/4yrs later sold it to a Muscovite pal of Putin's for circa $100m. The point with those wanting to launder money is that they will pay over the going rate to get their money 'legit'. Hell Trumps casino admitted money laundering - just nobody asked who's money. Felix 'Sater' and the Trump Soho? You know who Sater's real name? Who his Father is? They are the Muscovite mobsters. Apparently there is evidence that Cohen was indeed in Prague during the election campaign as the Steele dossier said. Trump though threw himself and Cohen under a bus when he said he did not know of Cohen's payment to this Lady of erotica films because if that is the case then Cohen was not acting on Trump's behalf so client confidentiality cannot be claimed... Look Colonel if you cannot put the dots together that is your problem, not mine. Those of who can see the overwhelming case against him cannot make you see what you refuse not to.
    So again, a bunch of nothing. There's no dots to be put together! You're jumping though hoops to prove a consipracy theory that has no basis in real facts. Mueller has refused to follow this path which goes to show just how legit it is, meaning, it's all in your head. There is no collusion evidence and there's nothing in your post that proves that Trump was compromised. There's no dirt to be had on Trump by Putin. Hell, the only dirt you could come up with is a pornstar.

    And your Maison de L'Amitie claims? Where has Trump done wrong?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_L%27Amitie

    You're absolutely ludicrous to suggest Trump did anything wrong. All he did was bought low, sold high! That's money laundering? Pathetic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    So freaking what? As a chemical weapons staging point, it's been killed until that depot is repaired! THAT WAS THE OBJECTIVE.
    But the Israeli's already hit it - were the Western allies "double killing"?

    Quote Originally Posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    So again, a bunch of nothing. There's no dots to be put together! You're jumping though hoops to prove a consipracy theory that has no basis in real facts. Mueller has refused to follow this path which goes to show just how legit it is, meaning, it's all in your head. There is no collusion evidence and there's nothing in your post that proves that Trump was compromised. There's no dirt to be had on Trump by Putin. Hell, the only dirt you could come up with is a pornstar.

    And your Maison de L'Amitie claims? Where has Trump done wrong?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_L%27Amitie

    You're absolutely ludicrous to suggest Trump did anything wrong. All he did was bought low, sold high! That's money laundering? Pathetic!
    That Sir is how money laundering works - along with his casinos of course which admitted money laundering. If the guy is innocent and has nothing to hide why does he not make public his tax returns? If he is innocent and has nothing to fear why sack Comey after asking him for his "loyalty" and to stop the Flynn inquiry? Why is he so keen to be rid of Mueller? Rosenstein? The man has a screw loose in my opinion but he was 100% laundering dirty Muscovite money for years. The Muscovite's know it obviously - it was their money and they almost certainly have proof of it. That makes him compromised and that is why he went against his own advice and warned Moscow and Assad and why nothing 'real' was accomplished. Nothing 'real' was intended to be accomplished; it was a charade to make Trumpkin look tough and you bought it because you refuse to see what is blindingly obvious to anyone that knows a thing about the Putin regime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    But the Israeli's already hit it - were the Western allies "double killing"?
    God, you're densed. The Israeli hit the Iranian drone centre, killing an Iranian Colonel. The Allies hit the chemical weapons storage. Two different parts of T4. Reading the news would have told you that.

    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    That Sir is how money laundering works
    Not in this case. He brought the property on a bankruptcy option and sold the property to another real estate company. All above board with every cent accounted for. And Trump bought it for $41.35 million, not $40. He sold it for $95mil after putting in anywhere from $3mil to $25mil in renovations. Not out of whack by ANY stretch of the imagination.

    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    - along with his casinos of course which admitted money laundering.
    The actual charge is that they failed to register gamblers who won $10,000+ within the alloted time. That paper work has since been filed and Trump Casinos paid a fine. For such a conglomerate, chump change. You're grasping at peanuts trying to prove an elephant exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    If the guy is innocent and has nothing to hide why does he not make public his tax returns?
    The guy is innocent. Our system is innocent until proven guilty and he has not been proven guilty. And it is his right NOT to make public his tax returns. BTW, the if there is anything wrong with those tax returns, you can bet your ass that the tax courts would have gone after him. They have not. This arguement is dead in the water.

    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    If he is innocent and has nothing to fear why sack Comey after asking him for his "loyalty" and to stop the Flynn inquiry? Why is he so keen to be rid of Mueller? Rosenstein?
    Because he is an asshole.

    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    The man has a screw loose in my opinion but he was 100% laundering dirty Muscovite money for years. The Muscovite's know it obviously - it was their money and they almost certainly have proof of it.
    YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO PROOF OF ANY OF THIS.

    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    That makes him compromised
    That is your opinion and it is with zero merit, not providing any proof whatsoever.

    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    and that is why he went against his own advice and warned Moscow and Assad and why nothing 'real' was accomplished. Nothing 'real' was intended to be accomplished;
    I'm not using you as a military expert. Again, the Mission Objectives were to destroy factories and a weapons depot. Mission Accomplished. Your opinion holds ZERO merit.

    Quote Originally Posted by snapper View Post
    it was a charade to make Trumpkin look tough and you bought it because you refuse to see what is blindingly obvious to anyone that knows a thing about the Putin regime.
    Nothing you wrote showed you see things as they are but steeped deep in bollocks.
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