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  • Higgs Boson found!

    At least preliminarily...

    It's a boson: Higgs quest bears new particle | Reuters

    Will it withstand scrutiny? Or is it more cold fusion crap?

  • #2
    Or is it more cold fusion crap
    If it is indeed a five sigma event that would be quite unlikely.

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    • #3
      I read up on the "5 sigma" tag, and it read as "1 in 1,000,000" chance of being real, i.e. NOT noise or other malfunction. But is the detected particle consistent with the Higgs? The next few days will be very interesting, indeed.

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      • #4
        To my understanding there are two options:

        it is either the Higgs Boson particle OR it is something else that just happen to have exactly the same mass as it. That is much more unlikely and if the case, might even be more amazing (due being completely unexpected).

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        • #5
          aka the God particle.

          short video of the atom for dummies in this article

          BBC News - Higgs boson-like particle discovery claimed at LHC
          To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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          • #6
            Higgs Boson for dummies:

            Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

            Abusing Yellow is meant to be a labor of love, not something you sell to the highest bidder.

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            • #7
              Guys, what does this mean for science?...I have to expalin this to my 12 yr old.

              BTW, I had to tell my wife that "God particle" has nothing to do with the church..."it's about physics baby".

              Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lemontree View Post
                Guys, what does this mean for science?...I have to expalin this to my 12 yr old.
                Take something small and drop it on the table and ask why does it fall ? gravity.

                What is gravity ? An attraction

                Why is there attraction ? Mass.

                Bodies that have mass attract others with mass. In this particular case the large earth attracts everything to it. Just like the Sun attracts the planets and keeps them in orbit.

                So what is mass or why do things have mass ? We don't know.

                We think that is where the Higgs Boson particle comes in. It is thought to give matter mass.

                But how to tell if there even is such a thing as the Higgs Boson.

                That is where this experiment comes in.

                Originally posted by lemontree View Post
                BTW, I had to tell my wife that "God particle" has nothing to do with the church..."it's about physics baby".


                Why is mass important ?

                Without mass, particles cannot become atoms and matter cannot be created, clump together and become something. There would be no earth, sun or material universe. So this is about creation of what we see & know.

                Up to now we could not explain why any material in the universe exists. Without that nothing else matters.

                That is the fundamental nature of this discovery.
                Last edited by Double Edge; 06 Jul 12,, 06:44.

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                • #9
                  LT,

                  you better tell your kid that it's the fat for atoms
                  No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                  To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                    Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

                    Abusing Yellow is meant to be a labor of love, not something you sell to the highest bidder.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lemontree View Post
                      Guys, what does this mean for science?...I have to expalin this to my 12 yr old.

                      BTW, I had to tell my wife that "God particle" has nothing to do with the church..."it's about physics baby".
                      Higgs boson went to church , and the priest told him he cant come in

                      H/B said bollox , without me you cant have mass :whome:

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                      • #12
                        What are the practical applications of the discovery?

                        To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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                        • #13
                          Hey thanks for the help guys....
                          Also feel proud that the father of this theory was an Indian, Sathyendra Nath Bose...hence the name "boson".

                          Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
                            What are the practical applications of the discovery?
                            In the immediate term it means that the below table means something and isn't an elaborate fairy tale. That all the work on the standard model since the 70s has something to tie it together. That until recently unanswered question of how does mass come about has an answer. This was an important point because otherwise the model could have been wrong.

                            The scientists are getting off on the fact that they've been on the right track for the last 3 decades and did not have to start again from scratch. We avoided entering some dark age and the scientists know the funds will keep coming in as the billions spent on the LHC was not a collosal waste of money or the world's most expensive sling shot.

                            In the midst of all this high tech wizardry, for the last century we have been discovering how matter was made in a caveman like fashion. Breaking stuff by hurling other stuff at it and then marveling at the fragments

                            Whether this is a 3 year old's way of discovering the world or worse, it is indicative of the level we are at in comprehending what makes up the universe.

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                            Last edited by Double Edge; 06 Jul 12,, 06:12.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lemontree View Post
                              Hey thanks for the help guys....
                              Also feel proud that the father of this theory was an Indian, Sathyendra Nath Bose...hence the name "boson".
                              Little correction there, the father of the mass theory is Peter Higgs an Englishman, and he came up with this theory in the 60s. He was very happy to be proved right when he was still alive.

                              The bose part refers to a number of particles as the table above shows that impart force, electro-magnetic, strong /weak nuclear force & now mass. We just discovered the mass boson, the other bosons are already known.
                              Last edited by Double Edge; 06 Jul 12,, 05:33.

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