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  • #91
    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
    ...the OTO Melara 76 mm gun. Or the AT4.....

    Or the NA-73X/A-36 Apache/P-51 for that matter
    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
    Mark Twain

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Tamara View Post
      The closer we get to the present, the easier it is to see buying "internationally".

      But I recall the story told to me of Army Hueys and Air Force Hueys and why the difference between single and twins..................in the 60's.

      The Air Force twin deal was allowed because it was much smaller and in a different congressional district than the Army deal.......which was so much larger.

      .
      The story you heard was wrong. It wasn't until 1970 that the USAF flew twin Hueys. Before then they flew the single engine Army version as did the Navy and Marines.

      The reason the latter USAF version of the Huey was bigger and had twin engines is that they bought in with the Navy and Marine Corps on the UH-N. Which BTW was a Canadian design, with Canadian engines.
      The mission demanded the reliability of 2 engines
      Last edited by Gun Grape; 11 Jul 14,, 03:25.

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      • #93
        Damn Syrup Sucking Frostbacks!!!!
        “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
        Mark Twain

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        • #94
          Originally posted by desertswo View Post
          Eagen is me. My surname. It is my formula . . . and I no longer fly. I spent two years on the CINCPACFLT PEB flying around the Pacific inspecting ships, and another three on the Joint Staff as part of the Joint Warfighting Capabilities Assessment (it's all about weapons procurement), flying to and from the various places where what were then called "CINCs" were headquartered. Mostly commercial air, but occasionally organic, including C-130s and C-2s, C-9s, and C-12s. I used to like flying. I grew to hate it, and no longer do it, which means I will probably never leave this country again. I don't know how flight attendants do it. I'd have eaten my gun a long time ago if I had to do what they did. It's not fear, it's a loss of control. I don't like not being in control. One of those personality flaws, like extreme attention to detail for modelers. Anyway, if forced to do it, I no longer fly aircraft that have less than four engines, and being as how those are slowly being replaced by the newer two engined variety, I won't have to do too much flying. Make sense?
          My Dad was Air Force back in the late 50's, worked on the B-57, T-33's(because they used them as trainers for the B-57) and RF-101's. He went on to fix planes for Eastern until they went under. Now he builds jet engines for GE in Lynn, Ma.
          77 yo and he works 70 hour weeks. He's what you could call old school. When they allowed waivers for 2 engine aircraft to carry passengers commercially on trans oceanic flights he gave up flying altogether. Felt that the powers that be had taken leave of their final kernel of sense.

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          • #95
            Lynn ???? ......

            Originally posted by DonBelt View Post
            Now he builds jet engines for GE in Lynn, Ma.
            Lynn, MA ...

            "Lynn Lynn, City of Sin, You never come out the way you went in! " ;);)

            I 'm still not sure where that ditty came from... but every time we drive the 1A towards, Marble Head, Salem, Beverly, and points North...., my wife recites this saying. My assumption it's something to do with the crazy roads system and not the crime rate ??
            Last edited by blidgepump; 11 Jul 14,, 21:20.

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            • #96
              By Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class (SCW) Demetrius Kennon, USS America Public Affairs
              PASCAGOULA, Miss. (NNS) -- The future amphibious assault ship USS America (LHA 6) departed in commission without ceremony from Ingalls Shipbuilding in Pascagoula, Miss., July 11 in transit to its homeport of San Diego.

              America is scheduled to be formally commissioned during a ceremony in San Francisco, California Oct. 11, witnessed by the friends and family of the ship's 1,100 plankowners. The Navy officially accepted delivery of the ship from Ingalls Shipbuilding during a ship custody transfer ceremony, April 10.

              America earned commission status after the crew successfully completed the light-off assessment, anti-terrorism force protection certification and crew certification. These are the three major inspections needed before a U.S. Navy warship can get underway for the first time.

              "This is the beginning, but we have a long way to go," said Capt. Robert A. Hall Jr., America's commanding officer, to his crew during an all hands call. "You guys make the foundation. What we do from this point forward will dictate the kind of ship America's going to be, and I'm excited to get out there and introduce her to the fleet."

              America is scheduled to transit U.S. Southern Command's area of responsibility (AOR) throughout the next couple months. During the transit, referred to as "America Visits the Americas," the ship will engage in cooperative maritime security operations with partner nations in order to maintain access, enhance interoperability and build enduring partnerships that foster regional security in the AOR. In addition, America will embark more than 300 Marines assigned to Special Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force (SPMAGTF) South.

              The ship will visit Colombia, Brazil, Chile, Peru as well as Naval Station Guantanamo Bay, Cuba while also conducting engagements with other valued partners in the AOR. These nations are valued friends and partners and the visits to these ports will enhance these partnerships. During these port visits, the ship's military and civilian crew may have the opportunity to experience the rich culture of their host nation and to serve as goodwill ambassadors. Additionally many of America's Sailors and Marines will have the chance to volunteer for enhancement projects at local schools, orphanages, and other facilities.

              America is the first ship of its class, replacing the Tawara-class of amphibious assault ships. As the next generation "big-deck" amphibious ship, America is optimized for aviation, capable of supporting current and future aircraft such as the tilt-rotor MV-22 Osprey and F-35B Joint Strike Fighter.

              U.S. Naval Forces Southern Command / U.S. 4th Fleet and U.S. Marine Forces South support U.S. Southern Command's joint and combined military operations by employing maritime forces in cooperative maritime security operations in order to maintain access, enhance interoperability, and build enduring partnerships in order to enhance regional security and promote peace, stability, and prosperity in the Caribbean, Central and South American regions.


              I guess the thread should be renamed, due to her reclassification as an United States Ship.
              Last edited by surfgun; 11 Jul 14,, 21:57.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by blidgepump View Post
                Lynn, MA ...

                "Lynn Lynn, City of Sin, You never come out the way you went in! " ;);)

                I 'm still not sure where that ditty came from... but every time we drive the 1A towards, Marble Head, Salem, Beverly, and points North...., my wife recites this saying. My assumption it's something to do with the crazy roads system and not the crime rate ??
                I go to Lynn fairly frequently and it is one of the most difficult cities to drive thru that I spend time in. I narrowly avoided a repair call at the district courthouse there today- always entertaining. Oh, and it does have a high crime rate too.

                I remember the great Fire of 81- ashes rained on Medford where I lived at the time, about 15 miles away. Still, it's a seaside city with a lot of conservation space in the west part of town. It could be a nice place if people cared enough to clean it up.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                  It has been floated as well, when the well deck is reinstituted that the next LHD/LHA ships will be over 900' in length to maintain the aviation capabilities.
                  Would it be better off to have a bunch of 900' LHD/LDA than a few Gerald Ford?

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                  • #99
                    Not if we don't have the planes to fit the roles that a CVN fills. Combat Radius would shrink considerably too.
                    RIP Charles "Bob" Spence. 1936-2014.

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                    • Originally posted by toffee View Post
                      Would it be better off to have a bunch of 900' LHD/LDA than a few Gerald Ford?
                      Yeah, got to love those 22 knot ships. You don't project power without something to get there ahead of the pack to kick the bat snot out of whatever is standing in the way. That takes strategic speed far better than 22 knots. Nimitz/Ford give us that.

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                      • Originally posted by desertswo View Post
                        Yeah, got to love those 22 knot ships. You don't project power without something to get there ahead of the pack to kick the bat snot out of whatever is standing in the way. That takes strategic speed far better than 22 knots. Nimitz/Ford give us that.
                        haha for the sake of debate and funning with ya: By having more of them, they could be distributed more broadly to reduce travelling distance?

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                        • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                          America is scheduled to transit U.S. Southern Command's area of responsibility (AOR) throughout the next couple months. During the transit, referred to as "America Visits the Americas," the ship will engage in cooperative maritime security operations with partner nations in order to maintain access, enhance interoperability and build enduring partnerships that foster regional security in the AOR. In addition, America will embark more than 300 Marines assigned to Special Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force (SPMAGTF) South.

                          The ship will visit Colombia, Brazil, Chile, Peru as well as Naval Station Guantanamo Bay, Cuba while also conducting engagements with other valued partners in the AOR. These nations are valued friends and partners and the visits to these ports will enhance these partnerships. During these port visits, the ship's military and civilian crew may have the opportunity to experience the rich culture of their host nation and to serve as goodwill ambassadors. Additionally many of America's Sailors and Marines will have the chance to volunteer for enhancement projects at local schools, orphanages, and other facilities.
                          Didn't we use to call this UNITAS?

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                          • Originally posted by toffee View Post
                            haha for the sake of debate and funning with ya: By having more of them, they could be distributed more broadly to reduce travelling distance?
                            Bringing less firepower, less capability and requiring more escorts than a single CV. No thanks Its a lose/lose proposition.

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                            • Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                              Didn't we use to call this UNITAS?
                              Ahhh, UNITAS, the "fun" deployment...................never got it. I was on one ship where a lot of of the officers had just returned from it. To them, it was like three days at sea for maneuvers, 3 days in port for official gatherings, repeat.

                              I got the Med deployment.

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                              • Originally posted by Tamara View Post
                                3 days in port for official gatherings, repeat.
                                I've never heard what took place called that before. ROFL.

                                I got the Med deployment.
                                Which wasn't much different. You just had to behave yourself a bit more in the Med. BTDT 5X
                                Last edited by Gun Grape; 13 Jul 14,, 06:56. Reason: hit the wrong number key meant 5 not 6

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