It was not a T&E bird...my point was that losses are not limited to the early airframes.
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I would dearly love to have the clearances necessary to sit in on training mission briefs and debriefs.
Word from the few active duty guys in my circle is that the F-22 seat is not the premier, desired job out of pilot training... it is the legacies, the F-15/16 and A-10 that guys want to fly, and that implies the missions are very different. The legacy fighters are fun to fly, fun to employ. The F-22 seems more like a digital stealth piloted drone. Fly at the bad guys, yawn a bit because there's little challenge, pickle multiple AIM-120's, and turn around for the RTB.
My point is, I wonder if the F-22 units are training as if they were uber-F-15's, or if they are training correctly, using the platform's stealth and stand-off capabilities to the max. If they are doing perch BFM setups and pulling 9 G's at 30,000', then that may be contributing to the odd physiological symptoms, and the closer the F-22 training is to the legacies, the more airframe losses that can be expected.
I understand the actual F-22 losses aren't connected to maneuvering... just a general opinionated observation.
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Originally posted by Chogy View PostI would dearly love to have the clearances necessary to sit in on training mission briefs and debriefs.
Word from the few active duty guys in my circle is that the F-22 seat is not the premier, desired job out of pilot training... it is the legacies, the F-15/16 and A-10 that guys want to fly, and that implies the missions are very different. The legacy fighters are fun to fly, fun to employ. The F-22 seems more like a digital stealth piloted drone. Fly at the bad guys, yawn a bit because there's little challenge, pickle multiple AIM-120's, and turn around for the RTB.
My point is, I wonder if the F-22 units are training as if they were uber-F-15's, or if they are training correctly, using the platform's stealth and stand-off capabilities to the max. If they are doing perch BFM setups and pulling 9 G's at 30,000', then that may be contributing to the odd physiological symptoms, and the closer the F-22 training is to the legacies, the more airframe losses that can be expected.
I understand the actual F-22 losses aren't connected to maneuvering... just a general opinionated observation.
Your take on the "fun" factor checks with what I picked up.
Originally posted by jlvfr View PostWhy I get the feeling there's also an emphasis on "Ffs don't risk these birds!!!!" on those briefs?...
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View PostF-22s were cleared to fly at Tyndall today.
Tyndall also received its first QF-16 today"There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View PostCs block 25s
The original prototype was a A Block 15 but the QFs are C Block 25s. Suppose to be plenty of them in the desert, just waiting for someone to blow upLast edited by Stitch; 21 Nov 12,, 06:33."There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge
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It has never ceased to make me sad to see those drones being blown up.
I've mentioned it before - the law that makes the sale of retired warplanes to civilians illegal should be repealed. It is stupid and antiquated. Open the boneyard to collectors.
Obviously, you de-mil them. Remove the radar, RWR, gun, any sensitive electronics, but otherwise, have at it. In the future, the F-14/15/16, A-7, T-37, T-38, F-5, all of them, will be national treasures, just as WW2 warbirds are today. And there are plenty of people who would be willing to pay millions for an old F-16 with spares.
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View PostBut where else can you get the opportunity, short of combat, to fly against a 4th generation aircraft? And shoot it down.
I fired an AIM-9L at a BQM-34 drone, and the data added to the growing database of missile performance. It was a "hit" FWIW, passing within fuze range of the drone, and the fuze signal was correctly generated.
The bottom of the Gulf of Mexico South of Tyndall AFB must be carpeted with hardware. I'm surprised there haven't been foreign "fishing boats" scooping up goodies from the bottom of the sea in that area.
I am unsure of the costs of a new Firebee drone, vs. retrofitting an old F-16A from the boneyard. Obviously, there are different missions, too. A Firebee cannot do mach 1.6 at 55,000', nor can it do a 9 G jink to try and defeat AAMs.
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