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  • China claims they've found 30 Illegal oil platforms in South China Sea

    Source: China patrols S China Sea against illegal exploration|Industries|chinadaily.com.cn

    Thus far, the only sources of this news come directly from the Chinese themselves.

    My question is, how accurate are their claims? As in, are they truly illegal oil platforms that somehow sneaked their way into Chinese waters, or is this an attempt at enforcing what China considers to be their territorial waters but isn't recognized by their neighbors?

  • #2
    Originally posted by cr9527 View Post
    this an attempt at enforcing what China considers to be their territorial waters but isn't recognized by their neighbors?
    I think this could be the reason

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    • #3
      According to the code of conducted drafted by ASEAN, in principal one needs to inform all parties in the disputed areas before putting up an oil well.

      Sloppy paperwork?




      DECLARATION ON THE CONDUCT OF PARTIES
      IN THE SOUTH CHINA SEA

      ASEANWEB - Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (2002)

      The Governments of the Member States of ASEAN and the Government of the People's Republic of China,

      REAFFIRMING their determination to consolidate and develop the friendship and cooperation existing between their people and governments with the view to promoting a 21st century-oriented partnership of good neighbourliness and mutual trust;

      COGNIZANT of the need to promote a peaceful, friendly and harmonious environment in the South China Sea between ASEAN and China for the enhancement of peace, stability, economic growth and prosperity in the region;

      COMMITTED to enhancing the principles and objectives of the 1997 Joint Statement of the Meeting of the Heads of State/Government of the Member States of ASEAN and President of the People's Republic of China;

      DESIRING to enhance favourable conditions for a peaceful and durable solution of differences and disputes among countries concerned;

      HEREBY DECLARE the following:

      1. The Parties reaffirm their commitment to the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation in Southeast Asia, the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence, and other universally recognized principles of international law which shall serve as the basic norms governing state-to-state relations;

      2. The Parties are committed to exploring ways for building trust and confidence in accordance with the above-mentioned principles and on the basis of equality and mutual respect;

      3. The Parties reaffirm their respect for and commitment to the freedom of navigation in and overflight above the South China Sea as provided for by the universally recognized principles of international law, including the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea;

      4. The Parties concerned undertake to resolve their territorial and jurisdictional disputes by peaceful means, without resorting to the threat or use of force, through friendly consultations and negotiations by sovereign states directly concerned, in accordance with universally recognized principles of international law, including the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea;

      5. The Parties undertake to exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities that would complicate or escalate disputes and affect peace and stability including, among others, refraining from action of inhabiting on the presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays, and other features and to handle their differences in a constructive manner.

      Pending the peaceful settlement of territorial and jurisdictional disputes, the Parties concerned undertake to intensify efforts to seek ways, in the spirit of cooperation and understanding, to build trust and confidence between and among them, including:

      a. holding dialogues and exchange of views as appropriate between their defense and military officials;

      b. ensuring just and humane treatment of all persons who are either in danger or in distress;

      c. notifying, on a voluntary basis, other Parties concerned of any impending joint/combined military exercise; and

      d. exchanging, on a voluntary basis, relevant information.

      6. Pending a comprehensive and durable settlement of the disputes, the Parties concerned may explore or undertake cooperative activities. These may include the following:

      a. marine environmental protection;
      b. marine scientific research;
      c. safety of navigation and communication at sea;
      d. search and rescue operation; and
      e. combating transnational crime, including but not limited to trafficking in illicit drugs, piracy and armed robbery at sea, and illegal traffic in arms.

      The modalities, scope and locations, in respect of bilateral and multilateral cooperation should be agreed upon by the Parties concerned prior to their actual implementation.

      7. The Parties concerned stand ready to continue their consultations and dialogues concerning relevant issues, through modalities to be agreed by them, including regular consultations on the observance of this Declaration, for the purpose of promoting good neighbourliness and transparency, establishing harmony, mutual understanding and cooperation, and facilitating peaceful resolution of disputes among them;

      8. The Parties undertake to respect the provisions of this Declaration and take actions consistent therewith;

      9. The Parties encourage other countries to respect the principles contained in this Declaration;

      10. The Parties concerned reaffirm that the adoption of a code of conduct in the South China Sea would further promote peace and stability in the region and agree to work, on the basis of consensus, towards the eventual attainment of this objective.

      Done on the Fourth Day of November in the Year Two Thousand and Two in Phnom Penh, the Kingdom of Cambodia.
      Last edited by xinhui; 22 Mar 12,, 17:20.
      “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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      • #4
        I thought ASEAN regulations don't apply to China directly.

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        • #5
          if you open the link I posted above, you will see the sig of PRC's Wang yi at the end,
          “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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          • #6
            Originally posted by xinhui View Post
            According to the code of conducted drafted by ASEAN, in principal one needs to inform all parties in the disputed areas before putting up an oil well.
            Are you saying China is also performing illegal exploration and extraction in South China Sea?

            Vietnam at Odds With Cnooc's Gas Exploration-China Mining

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            • #7
              the key word here is "inform" other parties in the dispute.

              In the China case, while Vietnam might have issues with the drill itself but since it is an open bid, thus all parties involve are informed

              The entire argument here is about drilling needs to be made public The Chinese are bitching that other parties started to drill-baby-drill without telling anyone.
              Last edited by xinhui; 25 Mar 12,, 07:39.
              “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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              • #8
                PRC did not officially inform any SEA government about their activities, from drilling in north of South China Sea to exploration and "research" in Spratly to further south. If you say opening a bid or release some articles on newspaper "informing" then PRC is also very well informed about those 30 drill platforms.
                You are trying to answer a question which everybody is waiting from PRC government and they can not answer. What is the boundary of dispute? What is the meaning of "illegal" from PRC point of view? No PRC spokesperson has been able to answer it exactly. I found it amusing when you try to be one. You are covering PRC's POV with your own one and more dangerous, supporting their point that the whole South China Sea is a dispute area. That does not help "maintaining peace" at all.

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                • #9
                  relax with your finger pointing there.

                  go back to the basic points here.

                  1. PRC is complaining, according to the first post of this thread that (right or wrong is up to debate) parties putting up oil well in the disputed areas without informing anyone, closed bids.

                  2. PRC signed the 2002 code of conduct and should be hold accountable if the its breaks the code of conduct.

                  3. Open bid is just that, open to the public and posted. In other cases, they are not.
                  “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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                  • #10
                    Original article (first post):

                    GUANGZHOU -- A China Marine Surveillance (CMS) patrol team recently finished its third mission targeted at the illegal exploration of oil and gas in the South China Sea, a maritime official said Monday.

                    The team included the Haijian 83 and Haijian 75 patrol ships from the South Sea fleet of the China Maritime Surveillance Force in the southern city of Guangzhou, said a source with the South China Sea branch of the State Oceanic Administration (SOA).

                    The team focused on searching for and monitoring illegal offshore oil and gas extraction platforms, discovering more than 30 illegal platforms in total, the SOA source said.

                    The CMS has been sending patrols to the South China Sea and other Chinese territorial waters since 2007.

                    The South Sea fleet of the China Maritime Surveillance Force has intensified its patrols in the South China Sea in recent years, conducting nearly three times as many missions in 2011 as it did in 2008.

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