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Now that the projected cost to dispose of Enterprise has approximately doubled (to $1.5B), with the job little done, and seeing how all things that are government estimates are usually well below actual cost, does this in any way lend support for a second RCOH for Nimitz carriers? Since the AAG and EMALS systems seem unlikely to ever achieve the promised sortie rates, the argument that retrofits for the Nimitz class is cost prohibitive kind of goes out the window. As the new Ford class carriers are projected to cost $12B+, not to mention we are still in catch-up mode to achieve a 12 carrier fleet, it seems at least an option to consider that a couple of the Nimitz class could undergo a 2nd RCOH to fill the gap. The latest cost projections I have seen list the RCOH at approximately $3.1B.
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Originally posted by thebard View Postdoes this in any way lend support for a second RCOH for Nimitz carriers?
I mean, I'd be all for it personally, but if she's in the same shape as, say, the Franklin D Roosevelt was, then it's a non-starter right off the bat.
For that matter, look at the Ike. She's been rode hard and it's showing.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by TopHatter View PostYou'd have to know the material condition of the ship overall before considering that.
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Originally posted by thebard View PostI would be very surprised if any of the Nimitz class ships are maintained in less than top condition. Not to say that one may be preferable for retention than another, but these remain as our front-line ships, despite their age.
Prior to its 24-month maintenance availability from 2013 to 2015, Eisenhower had deployed four times from 2008 to 2013 with just one maintenance availability, USNI News has reported, due to operational needs.
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Originally posted by JCT View PostHeh, if only that were true! The fact that the IKE's yard period tripled in length speaks to the condition that she was in. The article that TopHatter linked states how she was run down:
The havoc this extended maintenance availability caused with other CVN schedules continues to reverberate. There are only so many facilities that can support a CVN.
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Originally posted by thebard View PostI can only assume that the extended availability is addressing all of the significant issues and she should return to the fleet in top condition.
Just because an item is identified as failed and needing replacement means that it gets fixed or replaced pronto. Ships have a limited budget in which to purchase repair parts and when it's exhausted, they're stuck unless higher HQ decides to fund the part. Even if funding is available, the part is not always available. Its not uncommon for low failure rate items or obsolete parts to have a 12+ month lead time.
This issue is not limited to the Navy or ships. Aircraft and vehicles have the same problems. I had an LAV deadlined for 9 months while we waited for a wiring harness to be built. Another time we sent in a piece of equipment (I cannot remember what it was) and had to wait for it to be repaired at the depot as there were no replacements on the shelf.
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JCT wrote:The havoc this extended maintenance availability caused with other CVN schedules continues to reverberate. There are only so many facilities that can support a CVN.
One of my colleagues is in the National Guard and was complaining basically about the same issues with his unit after returning from Iraq and the sad state of maintenance that was available for upkeep of the deployed equipment once it reached stateside. These decisions cover all branches, all units regardless.
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The consultation process for recycling CVN 65 has started (again) today. A website has been put up to invite public comment on alternative methods in order to prepare a new Environmental Impact Study (EIS/OEIS - the O indicates that the carrier may at some point be towed outside the 12 mile limit, not overseas scrapping). Documents and links are being added at regular intervals so it's worth keeping an eye on, but there's a lot of interesting stuff already.
The address is
https://carrierdisposaleis.com/Last edited by tyrosalt; 31 May 19,, 21:49.
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Originally posted by JCT View PostFill her reactor spaces with concrete and open the scuttles...it's the only way to be sure.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Tyrosalt,
Thanks for the link to the EIS website - just out of interest to see what develops, I've requested to be added to their email list. At least, I think I have (not exactly straight fwd.). If these agencies are anything like Congress, nothing will get done for years...
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Originally posted by thebard View PostI see what you did there. We're in some real pretty s#*t now, man!“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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