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Originally posted by SteveDaPirate View PostBy using a little bit of everything, India's military will never know which bits are in working order on any given day, thus India's enemies will never know what to prepare for!
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Looks like the IAF is pushing for more Rafales. Decision on it vs the new russian/indian heavy is pending, but cost seems to be a factor:
the force contending the French fighters will prove to be much cheaper than the proposed fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) to be developed with Russia
Not to mention not adding another diferent fighter to the inventory...
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Originally posted by jlvfr View PostLooks like the IAF is pushing for more Rafales. Decision on it vs the new russian/indian heavy is pending, but cost seems to be a factor:
the force contending the French fighters will prove to be much cheaper than the proposed fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) to be developed with Russia
Not to mention not adding another diferent fighter to the inventory...
This article is a good read with some interesting insights into the motivations for renewed interested in American fighters post MMRCA.
http://carnegieendowment.org/2017/08...navy-pub-72706
Because Lockheed Martin is transitioning toward the manufacture of the F-35 in the United States, the company has committed to transferring the entire F-16 production line to India...
The Lockheed Martin-Tata joint venture promises to advance Modi’s employment generation objectives far more ambitiously because it would integrate India into the global aviation supply chain at a level that Saab cannot match. Beyond supporting the IAF’s own F-16s, all future F-16 sales globally — including to the four-six countries that are currently exploring new acquisitions — could occur from production in Indian plants. Furthermore, India would become a critical node in supporting the 3,200 F-16s still in service in 25 countries (including the 950-odd F-16s that will remain in US Air Force (USAF) service for another two decades)The Rafale, unlike the Super Hornet, does not have fully foldable wings and, hence, cannot use the Vikrant’s elevators without major modifications that would add to its already high unit costs.Last edited by SteveDaPirate; 01 Sep 17,, 16:10.
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Originally posted by SteveDaPirate View PostDon't forget the possible upcoming addition of F-16s and F-18s!
http://carnegieendowment.org/2017/08...navy-pub-72706
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Originally posted by jlvfr View PostTbh, I don't think the F-18 has much chance. The 2-engine-heavy/medium fighter race seems to be down to the Rafale and the son-of-T-50. The F-16, otoh, may very well find itself on the lightfighter race, along with the Grippen, specially if the Tejas continues to flop...
It didn't occur that the f16 could make the cut as a light fighter. How could anyone call the f16 light : D
Bet if Chogy saw this he would protestLast edited by Double Edge; 01 Sep 17,, 16:44.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostI think it was you who said years ago that the f16 had a chance even though the americans were out of the MMRCA race. Made no sense at the time but i kept seeing articles mentioning f16. Still do. Some curious staying power there.
Originally posted by Double Edge View PostIt didn't occur that the f16 could make the cut as a light fighter. How could anyone call the f16 light : D
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If there is a US tilt then those f16 are in with a good chance. Never hear anyone discuss them in the light combat context though. Maybe they have, don't follow this area much.
Another thing. Coverage about this subject in India is abysmal. Unless you know the industry, its impossible to get a coherent take. Every time a decision is taken it comes as a surprise to what you heard prior. It's like the media and the govt are always on a different page. Gives an idea how many news plants take place.
Wonder if an explanation i heard recently is credible. Buying US platforms is bad because other lobbies don't like it. So they push their lines to their people and confuse us.
US platforms are bad (obligatory loss of sovereignty/lack of parts availability in a conflict slant) because they come with too many conditions or its bad because other arms lobbies that lose the deal in which its always better no deal occurs because we're so corrupt. Since the money involved is huge it takes forever to decide and initial quotes are higher later
How the heck does a military provision itself in such an environment....they do, we just don't understand what goes on.Last edited by Double Edge; 01 Sep 17,, 21:06.
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Originally posted by jlvfr View PostTbh, I don't think the F-18 has much chance. The 2-engine-heavy/medium fighter race seems to be down to the Rafale and the son-of-T-50. The F-16, otoh, may very well find itself on the lightfighter race, along with the Grippen, specially if the Tejas continues to flop...
The IN is looking to maximise the value they can get with their budget, and with the political winds starting to favor closer ties with the US, the F-18 seems like a possibility.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostUS platforms are bad (obligatory loss of sovereignty/lack of parts availability in a conflict slant) because they come with too many conditions or its bad because other arms lobbies that lose the deal in which its always better no deal occurs because we're so corrupt. Since the money involved is huge it takes forever to decide and initial quotes are higher later
How the heck does a military provision itself in such an environment....they do, we just don't understand what goes on.
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Originally posted by SteveDaPirate View PostThe IN is looking to maximise the value they can get with their budget, and with the political winds starting to favor closer ties with the US, the F-18 seems like a possibility.
Originally posted by SteveDaPirate View PostWith the entire US production line for F-16s moving to India with the deal, issues of sovereignty and parts availability become a domestic one, and not something that relies on foreign suppliers.
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http://m.indiatoday.in/story/indian-...1/1039202.html
Highlighting the benefits of Russia stronk:
Very expensive su30 like maintenance costs
6.7 billion dollar investment for 4 initial prototypes
135 million 2017 dollars per copy for 127 copies
Induction after 2028
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