Originally posted by Double Edge
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Yes, but it does not make sense to me to link aid to future contracts. If a country can afford to buy much more than the aid proferred then why does that country even qualify for aid in the first place.
This is why i wonder whether some private understanding has taken place. Once it became apparent the Brits were not going to get the deal they started singing.
Have asked this question in earlier threads and nobody was able to explain how UK aid works and what expectations, if any there are. I cannot expect there are any, otherwise it ain't aid.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostYes, but it does not make sense to me to link aid to future contracts. If a country can afford to buy much more than the aid proferred then why does that country even qualify for aid in the first place.
This is why i wonder whether some private understanding has taken place. Once it became apparent the Brits were not going to get the deal they started singing.
Have asked this question in earlier threads and nobody was able to explain how UK aid works and what expectations, if any there are. I cannot expect there are any, otherwise it ain't aid.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostSeconded.
So that makes two of us.
BM ?
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostIndeed, now why would they have gotten that impression.
If the understanding was send money to A and expectation created to receive payment from B for other services.
This reflects badly on India. The Brits are just working the system.
Either that or this is an elaborate CYA to explain away a lost deal.
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It implies, unofficially ofc, that a bribe offered by UK would be accepted by India in exchange for a future deal or rather whomever was managing this deal on the Indian side.
Didn't we set out to make sure the bidding pricess for this deal would be transparent and straight.
Go to BR forums and see what they think of Britain right now after Britain start crying and bitching about aid programme after they failed to secure MMRCA.
If you want to accuse the Brits of offering a bribe than is India above suspicion of receving such a bribe.
If i know the Brits, they're not the kind to throw their money into the sea. They must have thought they had a reasonsable chance of making it back some how.
The troubling implication here is it raises the question of UK public funds in the name of aid, ending up in the pockets of UK private arms suppliers.
Have to say this aid business is all a bit murky.
Originally posted by comanderIMO these days most f the aid's given by any country is purely to satisfy it's political interest in the future.. Humanitarian based Aid's are very rare and only during the times of natural calamity. Every country wants to invest in Africa why ? So later they can take advantage of the unexplored mineral wealth in those countries not because of people dying everyday due to hunger. Also it is mentioned in the thread that Govt Of Britain begged India to continue getting the aid eventhough Indian refused it in first place. If I am not wrong even USA gets Aid from other countries eventhough it's economy is huge. So no wonder Britain wanted to send aid to India.
or public funds going into some private companies pockets ?
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostIf i know the Brits, they're not the kind to throw their money into the sea. They must have thought they had a reasonsable chance of making it back some how.
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Originally posted by commander View PostI am sure they already did through other arms purchases or haven't they ??? I am unable to pin point the deals but I am sure it was mentioned in this thread earlier...IMO the Brits just got greedy and badmouthed India when their intentions didn't work out.
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One possible scenario where I think BM's claim could hold ground about future arms dealings with UK would be , During the next round of purchasing , If at all India decides to go with British machines It will face immense pressure from opposition and the media's who will just try to tarnish the image of then ruling government which will force then ruling party to act otherwise.
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Originally posted by commander View PostIMO the Brits just got greedy and badmouthed India when their intentions didn't work out.
India will be a major arms customer for the next ten years, you mean to tell me that the MMRCA deal was the only chance the Brits had of selling us anything. COurse not.
I think there has been some misunderstanding some where. lets see how this present enquiry goes. The brits fired their warning shot, there may be more in the pipeline. If they can show that there were some irregularities then the whole deal gets scuttled. The mood in the country presently is very anti-corruption.
The Brits then offer a major discount and bag the deal.
Close in of Cameron shaking a foot in Parliament to the sounds of Waterloo by ABBALast edited by Double Edge; 19 Mar 12,, 22:13.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostIf true it would be incredibly short sighted of the Brits so i'm sceptical of this.
India will be a major arms customer for the next ten years, you mean to tell me that the MMRCA deal was the only chance the Brits had of selling us anything. COurse not.
I think there has been some misunderstanding some where. lets see how this present enquiry goes. The brits fired their warning shot, there may be more in the pipeline. If they can show that there were some irregularities then the whole deal gets scuttled. The mood in the country presently is very anti-corruption.
The Brits then offer a major discount and bag the deal :)
Or like you said there could be something lurking underground like the Bofors maybe ???
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostWish we could locate that complaint Reddy filed on Feb 27, a glance at that will make it much more clear.
His complaint seems to read like a bad joke and, I'm now fully convinced the man has taken bribes to try and kill the Rafale deal in favour of the British. That most of our MPs are morons is made ample clear in his poorly googled "facts" about the Rafale doing poorly in Libya and Eurofighter being called up in its place. He has no clue what he is talking about, and I feel that the CBI should spend their time investigating him.
MoD's response:
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MMRCA has finally come to an end albeit an unusual one. Compelled by a depleting squadron strength, the entire contract process has been shelved.
Instead of the original 126 jets, the indian govt is importing 36 ready-made rafales for a cost of 4 billion which will take another two years for delivery. (still pending official confirmation)
That's the end of this.Last edited by anil; 11 Apr 15,, 18:54.
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Originally posted by anil View PostMMRCA has finally come to an end albeit an unusual one. Compelled by a depleting squadron strength, the entire contract process has been shelved.
Instead of the original 126 jets, the indian govt is importing 36 ready-made rafales for a cost of 4 billion which will take another two years for delivery. (still pending official confirmation)
That's the end of this.
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