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  • #61
    Originally posted by Tanker View Post
    Google doesn't know a thing!! Useless clap trap...who was the author of the B29 edit?
    Wasn't me

    Wiki links to here The Flight of the B-29 Hog Wild (WWII) by Bill Streifer and Irek Sabitov
    No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

    To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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    • #62
      And its assholes just like this that created the nuclear problem as well as all of Irans current troubles.

      Tehran (CNN) -- Iran's top cleric has blamed the CIA and Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency, for killing an Iranian nuclear scientist, Iran's state broadcaster said.

      Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, who died Wednesday, was the third Iranian nuclear scientist in two years to be killed by what Iran described as a magnetic bomb attached to his car. A fourth survived a similar assassination attempt.

      Roshan's death shows that "the global arrogance spearheaded by the U.S. and Zionism has reached a deadlock in confrontation with the determined, devout and progressive nation of Islamic Iran," Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was quoted as saying by the state-run Press TV.

      Those responsible will not own up, Khamenei said, but the attack "has been carried out by the planning or support of CIA and Mossad [spy] services, like all other crimes of the network of international state terrorism."

      Scientist death 'like script from movie'

      Panetta denies U.S. involvement in death

      Another Iranian nuclear scientist killed

      Iran's military might in Iraq Khamenei ended his message of condolence with a warning: "We shall persist in punishing the perpetrators of this crime, as well those supporting them behind the scenes."

      Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sent his condolences Friday to the families of Roshan and his driver, who also died following the attack, the state-run IRNA news agency reported. He pointed the finger at "agents of imperialism and international Zionism," a reference to Israel.

      Other Iranian officials also blamed the killings on Israel and the United States, both of which have accused Tehran of pursuing a nuclear bomb -- a claim it denies.

      U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton "categorically" denied any role in the attacks, but urged Iran to halt its quest for a nuclear bomb.

      "I'm not sure who was involved, we have some ideas as to who might be involved... but I can tell you one thing: the United States was not involved in that kind of effort, that's not what the United States does."

      Brig. Gen. Yoav Mordechai, a spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces, said on his Facebook page Wednesday: "I have no idea who targeted the Iranian scientist but I certainly don't shed a tear."

      United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon strongly condemned any terrorist action or assassination of anyone, "whether scientist or civilian."

      "It is not acceptable," he said via his spokesman Eduardo del Buey. "Human rights must be protected."

      Meanwhile, a newspaper aligned with Khamenei called Thursday for the Islamic republic to respond in kind to the killings of its nuclear scientists, suggesting Israeli officials could be targeted.

      The editor of Tehran daily Kayhan, considered the organ of Khamenei's supporters, questioned why Iran should not "exercise its legal right to retaliate."

      Mohammad Khazaee, Iran's ambassador to the United Nations, said the assassinations of scientists were intended to deprive Iranians of the right to peaceful nuclear energy.

      "We believe that these terrorist attacks are supported by some elements -- especially within the Israeli regime as well as some quarters around the world," he said.

      US denies involvement in Iranian's death Iran says its nuclear program is aimed at producing civilian energy, not weapons. But it has rebuffed international demands to halt its enrichment of uranium, and the International Atomic Energy Agency says it has credible evidence that Iran has conducted weapons-related research.

      The IAEA, which serves as the U.N. nuclear watchdog, reported in November that it can no longer verify that the Iranian nuclear program remains peaceful.

      The scientist's death comes as Western powers and Japan are tightening the screws on Tehran.

      Japan announced Thursday it was prepared to gradually reduce oil imports from Iran, which supplies about 10% of its crude supply, while U.S.-led sanctions targeting Iran's central bank are driving down the value of the Iranian currency and driving up consumer prices.

      At the same time, U.S. observers say a covert campaign of sabotage appears to be under way against Iran's nuclear program. In addition to the deaths of nuclear researchers, Iran's Natanz enrichment plant -- where Roshan was the deputy director for commercial affairs -- has been hit with a computer worm that Western analysts say has damaged about 10% of the centrifuges used in the enrichment process.

      In the face of increased pressure, Iran has threatened to close off the Strait of Hormuz, the narrow waterway at the mouth of the oil-rich Persian Gulf.

      It brought down and captured a U.S. surveillance drone over its territory and claims to have arrested a dozen American spies, including an Iranian-American former Marine who was sentenced to death this week. The United States says he was wrongly accused.

      Still printing the brought it down theory I see.
      Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Tanker View Post
        Dammit...I was thinking that it had something to do with 5oz Swallows carrying 1lb coconuts...
        Perhaps TWO swallows could carry the coconut? Of course, they are non-migratory . . . .
        "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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        • #64
          Typical that they arrest a guy visiting his grandmother.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Stitch View Post
            Just like the reverse-engineering scientists out at Area 51, right? Tankie knows all about them . . . .
            Only what i have read , Bob Lazzar one of them whose id went off the map , when he spoke out . ;)

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Stitch View Post
              Perhaps TWO swallows could carry the coconut? Of course, they are non-migratory . . . .
              Wait.....what?...........I didn't know thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeee!

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              • #67
                Originally posted by snapper View Post
                Typical that they arrest a guy visiting his grandmother.
                Because when he entered the country they interrogated him and asked him where he would be and they went right to his Gran's house and took him into custody.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by tankie View Post
                  Only what i have read , Bob Lazzar one of them whose id went off the map , when he spoke out . ;)
                  Oh geezus don't start with Lazar...what fake, fraud, and liar he is and was. Two other UFO clownish freakshows were Tom Mahood and Kevin Randall. They had a huge website years ago in the mid 90's and I used to post on it. One day I posted a 15,000 word investigation about Roswell and several other "Roswell" type incidents. They same thing happened in all of them including the Mexican incident. The incident in question was the crashing of several unidentifyable rocket type craft that looked like missiles. The Roswell incident was the last in the series and Werner Von Braun moved to Huntsville (where I live) after the clean up was complete.

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                  • #69
                    Iran threatens Israel, U.S. over scientist killing

                    CNN) -- Israel and the United States are "supporters of state terrorism" and will suffer a "punitive response" at an "opportune time," Iran's Press TV cited a top Iranian general as saying Sunday, days after an Iranian nuclear scientist was killed.

                    Iran will hold "the U.S., Britain and the Zionist regime accountable for their actions," said the deputy chairman of Iran's Joint Chiefs of Staff, Brig. Gen. Massoud Jazayeri.

                    Jazayeri said the assassination would not hinder Iran's progress towards strategic technologies, the government-run Press TV reported Sunday, following an interview with him on Saturday.

                    Nuclear scientist Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan was killed Wednesday by what Iran described as a magnetic bomb attached to his car.



                    Scientist death 'like script from movie' He was the third Iranian nuclear scientist to be killed in the past two years. A fourth survived a similar assassination attempt.

                    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton "categorically" denied any role in the attacks, but urged Iran to halt its quest for a nuclear bomb.

                    U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta Thursday told troops in Texas: "We were not involved in any way -- in any way -- with regards to the assassination that took place there.... that's not what the United States does."

                    Brig. Gen. Yoav Mordechai, a spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces, said on his Facebook page Wednesday: "I have no idea who targeted the Iranian scientist but I certainly don't shed a tear."

                    Iran's top cleric has blamed the CIA and Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency, for killing the scientist, Press TV said earlier.

                    Roshan's death shows that "the global arrogance spearheaded by the U.S. and Zionism has reached a deadlock in confrontation with the determined, devout and progressive nation of Islamic Iran," Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was quoted as saying by the state-run Press TV.

                    Those responsible will not own up, Khamenei said, but the attack "has been carried out by the planning or support of CIA and Mossad [spy] services, like all other crimes of the network of international state terrorism."

                    Khamenei ended his message of condolence with a warning: "We shall persist in punishing the perpetrators of this crime, as well those supporting them behind the scenes."

                    Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sent his condolences Friday to the families of Roshan and his driver, who also died following the attack, the state-run IRNA news agency reported. He pointed the finger at "agents of imperialism and international Zionism," a reference to Israel.

                    Other Iranian officials also blamed the killings on Israel and the United States, both of which have accused Tehran of pursuing a nuclear bomb -- a claim it denies.

                    Meanwhile, a newspaper aligned with Khamenei called Thursday for the Islamic republic to respond in kind to the killings of its nuclear scientists, suggesting Israeli officials could be targeted.

                    The editor of Tehran daily Kayhan, considered the organ of Khamenei's supporters, questioned why Iran should not "exercise its legal right to retaliate."

                    Mohammad Khazaee, Iran's ambassador to the United Nations, said the assassinations of scientists were intended to deprive Iranians of the right to peaceful nuclear energy.

                    "We believe that these terrorist attacks are supported by some elements -- especially within the Israeli regime as well as some quarters around the world," he said.

                    Iran says its nuclear program is aimed at producing civilian energy, not weapons. But it has rebuffed international demands to halt its enrichment of uranium, and the International Atomic Energy Agency says it has credible evidence that Iran has conducted weapons-related research.

                    The IAEA, which serves as the U.N. nuclear watchdog, reported in November that it can no longer verify that the Iranian nuclear program remains peaceful.

                    Iran threatens Israel, U.S. over scientist killing - CNN.com

                    *So first it was the US, Then Israel, Now its the US, Israel and the Brits.

                    I would rell Tehran to go piss up a rope, if you want proof of terrorism those three listed above can show you more proof that Iran sponsors and funds terrorism then anyone. Hows about all of the Iranian made IEDS and Iranian rockets and mortars.

                    I guess that forget things like this:

                    Officials: Iran behind advanced, lethal IED

                    Top levels of Iranian government said to be authorizing export of weapon
                    By Steven R. Hurst - The Associated Press
                    Posted : Sunday Feb 11, 2007 9:06:43 EST

                    BAGHDAD — Military officials on Sunday accused the highest levels of the Iranian leadership of arming Shiite militants in Iraq with sophisticated armor-piercing roadside bombs that have killed more than 170 American forces.

                    The military command in Baghdad denied, however, that any newly smuggled Iranian weapons were behind the five U.S. military helicopter crashes since Jan. 20 — four that were shot out of the sky by insurgent gunfire.

                    A fifth crash has tentatively been blamed on mechanical failure. In the same period, two private security company helicopters also have crashed but the cause was unclear.

                    The deadly and highly sophisticated weapons the military said it traced to Iran are known as “explosively formed penetrators,” or EFPs.

                    The presentation was the result of weeks of preparation and revisions as U.S. officials put together a package of material to support the Bush administration’s claims of Iranian intercession on behalf of militant Iraqis fighting American forces.

                    Senior military officials in Baghdad said the display was prompted by the military’s concern for “force protection,” which, they said, was guaranteed under the United Nations resolution that authorizes American soldiers to be in Iraq.

                    Three senior military officials who explained the display said the “machining process” used in the construction of the deadly bombs had been traced to Iran.

                    The experts, who spoke to a large gathering of reporters on condition that they not be further identified, said the supply trail began with Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Quds Force, which also is accused of arming the Hezbollah guerrilla army in Lebanon. The officials said the EFP weapon was first tested there.

                    The officials said the Revolutionary Guard and its Quds force report directly to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

                    The briefing on Iran was revised heavily after officials decided it was not ready for release as planned last month.

                    Senior officials in Washington — cautious after the drubbing the administration took for the faulty intelligence leading to the 2003 Iraq invasion — had held back because they were unhappy with the original presentation.

                    The display appeared to be part of the White House drive that has empowered U.S. forces in Iraq to use all means to curb Iranian influence in the country, including killing Iranian agents.

                    It included a power-point slide program and a handful of mortar shells and rocket-propelled grenades which the military officials said were made in Iran.

                    The centerpiece of the display, however, was a gray metal pipe about 10 inches long and 6 inches in diameter, the exterior casing of what the military said was an EFP, the roadside bomb that shoots out fist-sized wads of nearly molten copper that can penetrate the armor on an Abrams tank.

                    “A normal roadside bomb is like a shortgun blast. But these are like a rifle. They’re focused and they’re aimed. ... It’s going to take anything out in its way, go in one side and out the other,” said 1st Lt. Zane Galvach, 25, of Dayton, Ohio, a soldier with the Army’s 2nd Division, based in Baghdad.

                    Skeptical congressional Democrats said the Bush administration should move cautiously before accusing Iran of fomenting a campaign of violence against troops in Iraq.

                    Senate Intelligence Committee member Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said “the administration is engaged in a drumbeat with Iran that is much like the drumbeat that they did with Iraq. We’re going to insist on accountability.”

                    On the Republican side, Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi said he did not think the United States was trying to make a case for attacking Iran. Lott said the U.S. should try to stop the flow of munitions through Iran to Iraq but that “you do that by interdiction ... you don’t do it by invasion.”

                    The EFPs, as well as Iranian-made mortar shells and rocket-propelled grenades, have been supplied to what the military officials termed “rogue elements” of the Mahdi Army militia of anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. He is a key backer of Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

                    The U.S. officials glossed over armaments having reached the other major Shiite militia organization, the Badr Brigade. It is the military wing of Iraq’s most powerful Shiite political organization, the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, whose leaders also have close ties to the U.S.

                    Many key government figures and members of the Shiite political establishment have deep ties to Iran, having spent decades there in exile during Saddam Hussein’s rule. The Badr Brigade was formed and trained by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.

                    An intelligence analyst in the group said Iran was working through “multiple surrogates” — mainly in the Mahdi Army — to smuggle the EFPs into Iraq. He said most of the components are entering the country at crossing points near Amarah, the Iranian border city of Meran and the Basra area of southern Iraq.

                    The analyst said Iraq’s Shiite-led government had been briefed on Iran’s involvement and Iraqi officials had asked the Iranians to stop. Al-Maliki has said he told both the U.S. and Iran that he does not want his country turned into a proxy battlefield.

                    “We know more than we can show,” said one of the senior officials, when pressed for tangible evidence that the EFPs were made in Iran.

                    U.S. officials have alleged for years that weapons were entering the country from Iran but had until Sunday stopped short of alleging involvement by top Iranian leaders.

                    During the briefing, a senior defense official said that one of the six Iranians detained in January in the northern city of Irbil was the operational commander of the Quds Force.

                    He was identified as Mohsin Chizari, who was apprehended after slipping back into Iraq after a 10-month absence, the officer said.

                    The Iranians were caught trying to flush documents down the toilet, he said. They had also tried to change their appearance by shaving their heads. Bags of their hair were found during the raid, he said.

                    The dates of manufacture on weapons found so far indicate they were made after fall of Saddam Hussein — mostly in 2006, the officials said
                    .

                    In a separate briefing, Maj. Gen. Jim Simmons, deputy commander of Multinational Corps-Iraq, said that since December 2004, U.S. helicopter pilots have been shot at on average about 100 times a month and been hit on an average of 17 times in the same period.

                    He disclosed a previously unknown shootdown, a Blackhawk helicopter hit by small arms fire near the western city of Hit. The craft crash-landed but there were no casualties. Simmons was on board.

                    The major general said Iraqi militants are known to have SA-7, SA-14 and SA-16 shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles but none of the most recent five military crashes were caused by those weapons. He said some previous crashes had been a result of such missiles but would not elaborate.

                    North of Baghdad, a suicide truck bomber crashed into a police station, killing at least 30 policemen. A total of 76 people were killed or found dead across Iraq. The U.S. military said Sunday a soldier was shot and killed the day before in volatile Diyala province northeast of the capital. A second soldier was reported killed Sunday in western Baghdad.
                    Last edited by Dreadnought; 15 Jan 12,, 16:35.
                    Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                    • #70
                      More.....

                      Adm. Mullen: Flow of arms from Iran to Iraqi militias widens - USATODAY.com

                      Iran Funneling New Weapons To Insurgents In Iraq And Afghansitan

                      The Arkenstone -
                      Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                      • #71
                        I think this year.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Tanker View Post
                          Oh geezus don't start with Lazar...what fake, fraud, and liar he is and was. Two other UFO clownish freakshows were Tom Mahood and Kevin Randall. They had a huge website years ago in the mid 90's and I used to post on it. One day I posted a 15,000 word investigation about Roswell and several other "Roswell" type incidents. They same thing happened in all of them including the Mexican incident. The incident in question was the crashing of several unidentifyable rocket type craft that looked like missiles. The Roswell incident was the last in the series and Werner Von Braun moved to Huntsville (where I live) after the clean up was complete.
                          Really , show proof of lazar being a liar , dead easy ,,huh , shut up by the institution ,his id wasted , show his lies , you cant ,you read what they wanted people to read, you can only show damning lies from the institution who wants to discredit everyone with insight and knowledge ,,believe what is fed to you ,but prove he is a liar , show proof of weather balloons were irrefutable evidence , c,mon show it and i will show you contradictory evidence including jesse marcell , us mjr and lots of civilian testimony , to include the closing down of local radio stations ,, your move
                          Last edited by tankie; 15 Jan 12,, 23:26.

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                          • #73
                            It'd be best if either of you might perhaps start another thread dealing with this instead of derailing this one.
                            "This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski
                            "The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool." Lester Bangs

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                            • #74
                              I posted this in another Iranian discussion board and I would like to share it and see what are your thoughts.

                              I respectfully disagree.

                              I really abhor jumping on conspiracy band wagon but in this specific case I’m more leaned toward looking inward than out to the west of Iran.

                              I’ve been thinking and reading about this tragedy ever since this past Wednesday and circumstances and aftermath behaviors of IRI points to itself.

                              1-As you mentioned marhoom Ahmadi Roushan was not a scientist and if Mosad wanted to put a dent in Iranian nuclear R & D surely could target a person with substantial rule than an expandable figure. Or even a big group of relevant people when they were in a conference room or during traveling for example in an airplane.

                              2-Within span of 2 years there have been 4 assassination attempts and all almost identical method, time of the day and all in Tehran. This is absolutely unheard of from an intelligence agency like Mosad or CIA to do so. The method always changes because it is possible for the previous style to be investigated and discovered thus compromising the success and safety of the operatives of the next mission.

                              3-Although Iranian nuclear standoff started in 2003, all of these assassinations were carried out aftermath of June 2009 uprisings.

                              4- Surely there are scientists in Busher , Esfahan, Arak, Qum etc but all 4 events have happened in Tehran. I’m guessing bigger Media “BOOM”.

                              5- Victim card, international sympathy, domestic deception, diversion of attention, fabricating illusive enemy (khamanei will not make a single sentence without the word "Doshman" in it, it has to be real) with all the above it seems like no one benefits more than IRI from these killings. He has killed Iranians by 1000s for regime survival before.

                              6- I have not heard of any investigation team being assigned for the past 3 cases and certainly you would expect majles should at least scrutinize Moslhi if not impeach him.

                              7- Looking at the youtube video you would expect for police or VEVAK agents setting up a parameter and treating the spot as crime scene but instead and surprisingly you see 100s of ordinary people walking around and picking up scattered pieces which might be used as evidence during upcoming investigations. Bombs even the homemade ones have certain fingerprints which can be traced back to its origin. Trigger mechanism, explosive, carrying cases, wires and other hardware can be investigated, scrutinized in order to figure out where the components were purchased or even were it was assembled which all can shed light toward perpetrators.

                              8- You would expect huge number of investigators working around the clock, sifting through pieces, looking at scene with 10 power magnifying glasses and taking pix which might take days, but instead very shortly after the car being hauled away another team appears on the scene and start sweeping up and hosing off the crime scene. That on its own is big red light for me.
                              Moslehi = Head of Ministry of Information. the one Dronejacker fired and khamenei reinstated him last summer.

                              Doshman = Enemy

                              Majles = parliament

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by S2 View Post
                                It'd be best if either of you might perhaps start another thread dealing with this instead of derailing this one.
                                Yes your correct , goodbye.

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